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Lucy Letby denied leave to appeal

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Viviennemary · 24/05/2024 13:40

Just heard on the news Lucy Letby the convicted serial killer has been denied leave to appeal. Good decision I think. She should stay behind bars for the rest of her life.

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sebanna · 30/05/2024 12:33

Mirabai · 30/05/2024 12:27

The real question is what will happen at the retrial in around 10 years, once Dewi Evans dodgy testimony is discredited and the medical evidence is more thoroughly and honestly evaluated.

People write like Dewi Evans was the only medical expert used in the trial. His work was peer reviewed by Dr Bohin, a consultant pathologist was used to review the autopsies, with other professors giving testiomy.

Cheshiresun · 30/05/2024 12:33

IAmThe1AndOnly · 24/05/2024 15:41

Hope the bitch rots in hell.

Me too.

Cheshiresun · 30/05/2024 12:36

TERFCat · 24/05/2024 16:39

I feel awful for the victims' families and those who survived this monster. I hope they can move forward with their lives, but it must be hard when she's appealing and people are writing nonsense about the case.

God bless them.

I can't imagine their loss. With all the press reports, conspiracy theories etc it must be so upsetting for them. Seeing that baby murderer's ugly face time and time again.

TheFunHasGone · 30/05/2024 12:38

Mirabai · 30/05/2024 12:25

I refer you to @IbisDancer‘s previous post:

Legal aid is not unlimited funds. It has strict fee caps which has resulted in many experts refusing work as well as a drop in 26% of criminal defence solicitors willing to work. It’s not much good to have say £4K to pay the costs of an expert when the expert’s minimum fee to do research, analysis and attend court is £30k (hypothetical example).

The Law Society recent published a report stating that the system is near collapse and this past December, the High Court ruled against the government for their cuts to criminal legal aid.

Criminal defence lawyers aren't going to refuse a murder case and there's still plenty of experts who do work that is paid for by legal aid

Cheshiresun · 30/05/2024 12:39

ArrrMeHearties · 24/05/2024 22:52

The right verdict was reached in the trial. The decision to give a guilty verdict wasn't taken lightly at all. She deserves to rot in jail for the rest of her life for what she did to those poor babies and the lifelong suffering inflicted on the families

Absolutely.

Mirabai · 30/05/2024 12:42

People write like Dewi Evans was the only medical expert used in the trial. His work was peer reviewed by Dr Bohin, a consultant pathologist was used to review the autopsies, with other professors giving testiomy.

And her work is equally problematic.

Regarding Evans - Brearley and Jayaram’s role and testimony will have to come under the microscope too.

It was Brearley who originally came up with the air embolism theory. And tried to get Jayaram on board and later Dewi Evans.

It was B and J who compiled the list of “incidents” involving Lucy Letby - which was passed to police.

There was no definition of “incident” or “collapse” or “unexpected”. Neither we nor the police have access to the total number of events that could qualify as an “incident” including those which did not involve LL.

Notably the incident list omitted included 2 clear case of negligence by doctors that resulted in death and serious harm.

A full list compiled by an independent enquiry with agreed definitions of “collapse” or “incident” as per medical criteria - would put a very different light on events I suspect.

Mirabai · 30/05/2024 12:45

TheFunHasGone · 30/05/2024 12:38

Criminal defence lawyers aren't going to refuse a murder case and there's still plenty of experts who do work that is paid for by legal aid

Many defence lawyers would refuse a Legal Aid case, that’s the point. The % of lawyers willing to do so has fallen significantly.

I don’t think you’ve really understood the point about expert witnesses and legal aid budget.

TheFunHasGone · 30/05/2024 12:54

Mirabai · 30/05/2024 12:45

Many defence lawyers would refuse a Legal Aid case, that’s the point. The % of lawyers willing to do so has fallen significantly.

I don’t think you’ve really understood the point about expert witnesses and legal aid budget.

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OK then

Cheshiresun · 30/05/2024 12:55

It was reported from her house, in the roughest area of Chester, she could see the cemetery directly from the back bedroom and the baby garden was directly opposite.

I bet she visited that baby garden regularly to see the graves of her increasing number of victims. Sickening to think.

Lilacbluebells · 30/05/2024 13:19

Her house wasn’t in the roughest area of Chester at all. Do you know Chester at all?

Kittybythelighthouse · 30/05/2024 13:22

Cheshiresun · 30/05/2024 12:55

It was reported from her house, in the roughest area of Chester, she could see the cemetery directly from the back bedroom and the baby garden was directly opposite.

I bet she visited that baby garden regularly to see the graves of her increasing number of victims. Sickening to think.

Why are you inventing fantasies like this? You have no way of knowing if she did so or not. This sort of comment combined with the “I bet she doesn’t look so nice now” comments are so odd to me, giving the lie to any pretence at a desire for actual reasoned justice. Whether she’s guilty or innocent there is no need for this sort of gleeful conjecture. Why don’t you imagine her cackling over a cauldron while you’re at it? Ffs.

Cheshiresun · 30/05/2024 13:23

That would be unfair on witches, they're too good for her to be called that.

No, I know where her house is. Certainly not a fantasy.

Cheshiresun · 30/05/2024 13:25

Why don't you stick up for Myra Hindley, Wayne Couzens, Thomas Cashman while you're here.

Maybe they had a miscarriage of justice afterall.

Lucimaya · 30/05/2024 13:27

Cheshiresun · 30/05/2024 13:25

Why don't you stick up for Myra Hindley, Wayne Couzens, Thomas Cashman while you're here.

Maybe they had a miscarriage of justice afterall.

True. Maybe she has a fancy to LL.

Lucimaya · 30/05/2024 13:28

Cheshiresun · 30/05/2024 12:55

It was reported from her house, in the roughest area of Chester, she could see the cemetery directly from the back bedroom and the baby garden was directly opposite.

I bet she visited that baby garden regularly to see the graves of her increasing number of victims. Sickening to think.

Yes, Blacon. Know it well.

Lucimaya · 30/05/2024 13:29

Cheshiresun · 30/05/2024 13:25

Why don't you stick up for Myra Hindley, Wayne Couzens, Thomas Cashman while you're here.

Maybe they had a miscarriage of justice afterall.

😂

Cheshiresun · 30/05/2024 13:32

Lilacbluebells · 30/05/2024 13:19

Her house wasn’t in the roughest area of Chester at all. Do you know Chester at all?

Yes grew up in Chester.

Lucimaya · 30/05/2024 13:35

So she moved to the trashy end of Chester, Oh well maybe she's liking it more where she's incarcerated for the rest of her life.

I believe she's looking a lot more hagged, brown hair, put on weight, double chin now but looks quite content. Maybe she's happy. Then again those press pictures are old. She's now mid 30's, not early 20's like some of her photos.

Lucimaya · 30/05/2024 13:38

Sickening to think a serial baby murderer lived right by a baby cemetery. Bet the location was on purpose, of course not far from the hospital either.

Kittybythelighthouse · 30/05/2024 13:40

Cheshiresun · 30/05/2024 13:23

That would be unfair on witches, they're too good for her to be called that.

No, I know where her house is. Certainly not a fantasy.

The fact of where her house is is totally separate to the rest of your statement, which is pure gleeful conjecture that helps nobody, least of all the parents of the babies in question.

To your second point, I’m not “sticking up” for anyone. I have no opinion on whether or not LL is guilty. I am only interested in the justice process and maintaining rigorous standards. My point is that gleeful conjecture like yours, imagining what she may or may not have done outside of the facts at hand, when none of us can know, is ugly, unhelpful, and gives the lie to any pretence at a desire for calm reason and justice. The only purpose for such fantasies is your own delight in monstering a villain. It’s ugly and helps no one, least of all the families involved.

Lucimaya · 30/05/2024 13:41

ArrrMeHearties · 24/05/2024 22:52

The right verdict was reached in the trial. The decision to give a guilty verdict wasn't taken lightly at all. She deserves to rot in jail for the rest of her life for what she did to those poor babies and the lifelong suffering inflicted on the families

Correct.

Mirabai · 30/05/2024 13:44

There’s an interface here between posters who are interested in the scientific and the legal aspects of the case - and posters with a more tabloid mentality who are just here to post burn the which (sic).

I don’t think there’s a lot of point engaging with that personally.

Lucimaya · 30/05/2024 13:46

Viviennemary · 27/05/2024 14:38

I agree she thrived on all the drama of the babies getting seriously ill and dying . And all the drama of the grief of the parents. I have no doubt about her guilt. Similar to Beverly Allit. Another nurse murderer.

So sad for the nursing community too when one of our own end up harming patients. Against everything we stand for.

Kittybythelighthouse · 30/05/2024 13:49

kkloo · 30/05/2024 00:43

Can someone who is very familiar with the case and who thinks she is guilty rebut this?

Not someone who just thinks she's guilty and is one of the STFU and stop defending baby killer types, but someone who followed and read a lot of stuff?

https://lawhealthandtech.substack.com/p/ll-part-5-the-demise-of-child-a
https://lawhealthandtech.substack.com/p/ll-part-6-the-incredible-dr-dewi

I'm interested in all of it but particularly the part which shows the layout of the room which suggests she would have had extremely limited opportunity to do anything to Child A and it would have been incredibly risky.

Also just to add, I'm not asking someone to refute it because I'm saying it can't be refuted, quite the opposite, I'm open to learning.

Giving this a bump.

Lucimaya · 30/05/2024 13:50

TheFunHasGone · 26/05/2024 23:57

Oh well that says it all then , she has an open honest face unlike Fred and Rose west who you could tell were guilty by just looking at them 🤦‍♀️

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