Lucy Letby denied leave to appeal

[Viviennemary]

Just heard on the news Lucy Letby the convicted serial killer has been denied leave to appeal. Good decision I think. She should stay behind bars for the rest of her life.

Of course they do, but there is a difference (even if you apparently don’t understand it) to a judicial process and discussion online.

I may be wrong but I don't think right to appeal is universal or automatic is it?
It has to be based on something that can be proven was wrong at the trial, or new evidence or something like that?

I read up extensively and respect the juries decision, for me it is indisputbie and anyone who tries ro support a child murderer is for me sickening,

GOOD!

I was convinced she was guilty until I read the piece in the New Yorker.

It was fascinating (and disturbing) reading that really shed a different light on things.

So much of the actual timeline of events was omitted from the trial and what the Jury appeared to end up with were the slices of timeline that supported the prosecutions hypothesis. Plus totally misconstrued facts like the death rate dropping after she was suspended, which actually wasn't relevant at all.

If anyone can find the archived copy to post it's really worth a read.

I think there's been an awful miscarriage of justice.

I found a HuffPost article about the New Yorker article,
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nurse-baby-murders-new-yorker_n_6643d589e4b0f22a60f371e6

This is what I thought originally on a post last year. Wasn’t sure if there was a coverup or she was made a scapegoat.

I’m still unsure but came to the conclusion last year after reading articles and listening to podcasts that she was guilty.

You can't 100% know she's guilty. It's very likely she is based on the verdict but there's been miscarriages of justice before.

I'm not basing my opinion on the New Yorker article, FWIW I followed this trial closely throughout.

That's conspiracy-theory, batshit bullshit.

Unless anyone here sat through the whole trial, none of us actually know whether the evidence was bombproof.

This link to the article should work:

https://archive.ph/AWpyz

I think she's innocent and there's no guarantee that "justice has been served" if the babies died because of NHS failings!

Yes, that's correct re automatic right of appeal.

Strange no reason given tho.

I find that strange too. Why wouldn’t they say no appeal because Baby K trial is ongoing? Or no appeal because no evidence of mistrial? Or the submitted new evidence isn’t really new? Etc.

Why the secrecy?

I also thought it was extremely curious that there was no history of criminal behaviour, no signs of a personality disorder, and no-one close to her believes she is guilty. A criminologist talked in the press about how unusual that is for someone convicted of such crimes.

None of us knows for sure if she is guilty. I hope she is, otherwise an innocent woman has been put away for life.

She most probably is but I think it is just possible that she was made a scapegoat. And that is a horrible thought.

There was a thread the other day about the New Yorker article. I can no longer find it.

Does anyone have the link, or was it deleted?

The people defending a child murderer who murdered babies inn the most abhorrent way thinkable based on some bollocks conspiracy theories spouted in the New Yorker of all things should be ashamed of themselves.

She was found guilty. She was sentenced to whole life terms. And she has been denied leave to appeal.

And not once has she ever shown any remorse, any emotion, even any sympathy for those babies.

Would people be talking about potential miscarriages of justice if this had been Wayne Cousins? Ian Huntley?

I agree, the trial was very long, it would have been impossible for anyone not involved in the case or present in court to know everything.

I read the news reports and listened to the podcast but was left with many unanswered questions.

I’ve read and scanned the article quickly.

It is quite worrying really and why isn’t Letby being given the right to appeal?

There's no shame in doubting.

There's always a bit of room for doubt, as history has shown many times with miscarriages of justice.

I didn't think she was guilty at first. I was worried she was a scapegoat.

However I followed the trial throughout on various different platforms and began to change my mind.

I believe she was guilty. I believe there was evidence of personality disorder and attachment needs.

I read that article and felt it didn't truely represent the evidence provided I. Court but I do think it's important to have evidence presented with a different viewpoint.

But overall I feel our justice system allows that. She has persecution and defence lawyers presenting evidence to be challenged.

The verdict was guilty. Appeals can only happen with certain terms and if it's been denied on those terms I'll stand with the appeal court. But I agree not giving reasons raises questions.

"I am a horrible evil person... I AM EVIL I DID THIS." These were nurse Lucy Letby's own words, written on a piece of notepaper found by police investigating the deaths of babies on her unit. "I don't deserve to live. I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough to care for them."

I believe her.

I also don't have absolute faith in the justice system sadly, based on experience.