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Renamed · 21/05/2024 16:53

As far as I understand it, the law in England means that you should be able to leave your estate to whomever you please, and no obligation to bequeath anything to relatives. At least I think that used to be the case. I remember a few years back a daughter contested her mothers will leaving everything to the cats home, and I think she won. I was a bit surprised because I think it was against all precedent.

Fulshaw · 21/05/2024 16:54

Having your day in court is grossly overrated.

CuteCillian · 21/05/2024 16:55

I think it is grim to think people have to visit just to get their inheritance though.
But it isn't their inheritance, it is the property of the deceased to have distributed as he/she wishes.

Ereyraa · 21/05/2024 16:57

ThisOldThang · 21/05/2024 15:54

I don't think it's clear cut.

Their father died and his share should have gone to his children.

If their father hadn't died, we can assume he would have inherited and, in turn, would have left whatever remained of the money to his kids.

It seems pretty shitty behaviour of the grandfather to cut out his deceased son's children.

He was shitty to them because they were shitty to him.

Serves them right.

No one is owed an inheritance.

TeaandScandal · 21/05/2024 16:58

qwertyqwertyqwertyqwerty · 21/05/2024 15:58

I think it is grim to think people have to visit just to get their inheritance though.

There's nothing uplifting in this story. If they all got along it would never have come to this, presumably.

You make “their inheritance” sound like a God given right?
Imagine, having to actually get on with the person you’re expecting huge wads of cash from.

NonPlayerCharacter · 21/05/2024 16:58

muddyford · 21/05/2024 16:46

I think it's grim that people expect to inherit merely by virtue of a blood relationship.

That's literally what inheritance is.

Confortableorwhat · 21/05/2024 17:00

Is there not an obligation on lawyers not to take on ridiculous unwinnable cases? There should be. I don't have much expertise, but if they'd posted on MN, I'd have told them they couldn't win.

NonPlayerCharacter · 21/05/2024 17:01

Renamed · 21/05/2024 16:53

As far as I understand it, the law in England means that you should be able to leave your estate to whomever you please, and no obligation to bequeath anything to relatives. At least I think that used to be the case. I remember a few years back a daughter contested her mothers will leaving everything to the cats home, and I think she won. I was a bit surprised because I think it was against all precedent.

That's correct. There are some ways by which you can contest a will but it's very rarely worth it. Your best chance is if you can prove the person wasn't acting of their own true free will, as these women attempted to do, because if they were fully compos mentis, there's very little further scope. You say what you want and it's accepted.

SapphireSlippers · 21/05/2024 17:02

WittiestUsernameEver · 21/05/2024 16:52

Doesn't matter what was previously agreed.

What matters is what is in the will..

Had he died intestate, they'd have got absolutely nothing.

  1. Grandchildren/great-grandchildren. If you die intestate, your grandchildren and great grandchildren will not inherit any of your estate unless one of the following criteria is met:
  • The child’s parent or grandparent died before you.
  • The child’s parent is alive when you die, but dies before reaching the age of 18 and is not married or in a civil partnership.If either of the cases above, the grandchildren and great grandchildren will inherit an equal share of the amount their parent/grandparent would have received.

In either of the cases above, the grandchildren and great grandchildren will inherit an equal share of the amount their parent/grandparent would have received.

https://www.graysons.co.uk/wills-estates-trusts/intestacy-rules/#receive

Intestacy Rules - What Happens if you Don't Have a Will?

If you don't leave a will, then your estate may not be divided how you want. Read about the rules of intestacy and how they may affect you.

https://www.graysons.co.uk/wills-estates-trusts/intestacy-rules#receive

Confortableorwhat · 21/05/2024 17:03

Renamed · 21/05/2024 16:53

As far as I understand it, the law in England means that you should be able to leave your estate to whomever you please, and no obligation to bequeath anything to relatives. At least I think that used to be the case. I remember a few years back a daughter contested her mothers will leaving everything to the cats home, and I think she won. I was a bit surprised because I think it was against all precedent.

She lost that case on appeal.

Charities are merciless when chasing legacies.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-39278921

Heather Ilott

Daughter cut out of will loses animal charities legal fight

Animal charities to keep inheritance after a woman challenged being cut out of her mother's will.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-39278921

Confortableorwhat · 21/05/2024 17:05

WittiestUsernameEver · 21/05/2024 16:52

Doesn't matter what was previously agreed.

What matters is what is in the will..

Had he died intestate, they'd have got absolutely nothing.

If he'd died intestate, they would have been entitled to their father's share.

DreadPirateRobots · 21/05/2024 17:05

SapphireSlippers · 21/05/2024 17:02

  1. Grandchildren/great-grandchildren. If you die intestate, your grandchildren and great grandchildren will not inherit any of your estate unless one of the following criteria is met:
  • The child’s parent or grandparent died before you.
  • The child’s parent is alive when you die, but dies before reaching the age of 18 and is not married or in a civil partnership.If either of the cases above, the grandchildren and great grandchildren will inherit an equal share of the amount their parent/grandparent would have received.

In either of the cases above, the grandchildren and great grandchildren will inherit an equal share of the amount their parent/grandparent would have received.

https://www.graysons.co.uk/wills-estates-trusts/intestacy-rules/#receive

Edited

Those are the rules when you die without a will. Which he did not. When you die without any clearly stated wishes about your estate, blood and legal relationships are used as a proxy for what you are presumed to have wanted. An actual statement of your wishes trumps that.

WittiestUsernameEver · 21/05/2024 17:13

SapphireSlippers · 21/05/2024 17:02

  1. Grandchildren/great-grandchildren. If you die intestate, your grandchildren and great grandchildren will not inherit any of your estate unless one of the following criteria is met:
  • The child’s parent or grandparent died before you.
  • The child’s parent is alive when you die, but dies before reaching the age of 18 and is not married or in a civil partnership.If either of the cases above, the grandchildren and great grandchildren will inherit an equal share of the amount their parent/grandparent would have received.

In either of the cases above, the grandchildren and great grandchildren will inherit an equal share of the amount their parent/grandparent would have received.

https://www.graysons.co.uk/wills-estates-trusts/intestacy-rules/#receive

Edited

My mistake

WittiestUsernameEver · 21/05/2024 17:13

Confortableorwhat · 21/05/2024 17:05

If he'd died intestate, they would have been entitled to their father's share.

Yes, my mistake.

Luckily he had a will, and they got exactly what he wished

PupInAPram · 21/05/2024 17:14

Good!

SapphireSlippers · 21/05/2024 17:16

DreadPirateRobots · 21/05/2024 17:05

Those are the rules when you die without a will. Which he did not. When you die without any clearly stated wishes about your estate, blood and legal relationships are used as a proxy for what you are presumed to have wanted. An actual statement of your wishes trumps that.

yes - we know that, my post was in reply to "Had he died intestate, they'd have got absolutely nothing."

Redlarge · 21/05/2024 17:20

Grotbagg · 21/05/2024 15:43

They clearly never read Bleak House

Ha ha ha this made me laugh

LaPalmaLlama · 21/05/2024 17:20

Confortableorwhat · 21/05/2024 17:00

Is there not an obligation on lawyers not to take on ridiculous unwinnable cases? There should be. I don't have much expertise, but if they'd posted on MN, I'd have told them they couldn't win.

I have a friend who’s a litigation lawyer and he says he talks probably 75% of people out of it. His key question is “what does success look like for you?” And often it’s a case of “ I just want them to admit they were wrong” or “ I just want them to apologise” and he’ll then tell them that they may not get that even if they win.

Redlarge · 21/05/2024 17:22

Confortableorwhat · 21/05/2024 17:00

Is there not an obligation on lawyers not to take on ridiculous unwinnable cases? There should be. I don't have much expertise, but if they'd posted on MN, I'd have told them they couldn't win.

Isnt it due dilligence. They should have been told the legal fees exceed any expected win.
Well they are all in debt each to the tune of 60k. Idiots. Hope hes laughing in heaven.

IAmThe1AndOnly · 21/05/2024 17:23

I think it is grim to think people have to visit just to get their inheritance though. I think it’s grim to think that being family automatically entitles you to someone’s money.

Funny how they weren’t so prepared to be family when there wasn’t any talk of money eh?

As for the father would have inherited and they would have got the money anyway, says who? The father might have lived for another 20 years and spent the lot, or needed to spend it to go into care.

People need to realise that inheritance isn’t a right.

My parents had a neighbour who didn’t have children but she had nieces who never visited ever. She had MND and after she died the nieces suddenly materialised to clean the house, to make it ready for sale because they (thought) they were going to inherit all her money.

She left the lot to charity and they didn’t get a penny. Good for her.

Why should people give money in death to someone who was never there for them in life?

muddyford · 21/05/2024 17:25

OK, receive money from the estate of a deceased relation.

AlittlebitofMonica · 21/05/2024 17:31

So the maximum they would have got if the estate had been split as they expected was £33,000 and now they each have to pay legal costs of at least £44,000 hahahaha

Meadowtrees · 21/05/2024 17:34

I think it’s rather sad that a grandfather makes living his grandkids money conditional on them visiting him.

CulturalNomad · 21/05/2024 17:36

Meadowtrees · 21/05/2024 17:34

I think it’s rather sad that a grandfather makes living his grandkids money conditional on them visiting him.

But why should he care about leaving money to people he rarely saw or heard from?

SoupDragon · 21/05/2024 17:36

Meadowtrees · 21/05/2024 17:34

I think it’s rather sad that a grandfather makes living his grandkids money conditional on them visiting him.

He didn't say "visit me and I'll give you money" though.

If they didn't care enough to visit him, why should he leave them anything at all? I wouldn't want to leave money to people who didn't care about me.