So if teachers are leaving in droves

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and recruitment is very low, what is going to happen? It can't continue like this surely and education levels will suffer enormously.

Massive classes for the teachers that remain?

Huge recruitment drive to entice more people into the profession?

Entice teachers out of retirement?

Recruitment from abroad?

Your post is shockingly idiotic. And you clearly can't read. I never once said
that teenagers will "teach themselves " using online resources.

I repeatedly said that teenagers who use online classes, will have academic support and tutors available to them online.

Also you seem to have a very strange idea, that you are the only teacher on here. I see that you wrote the word 'taught' to imply that you are a teacher and I am.

Lol. Youre not the only person who has been a teacher love. Do you actually think you are the only teacher on here? That's very strange of you. There are thousands of teachers out there.

I was a teacher, (school based) for years. I then moved to teaching completely online for private companies. I taught teenagers online. They all worked very well for me online. My colleagues also had no problems at all teaching teenagers online.

Just because you can't control teenagers online, doesn't mean that everyone can't control them.

I found that they worked very well for me online. They completed all of te coursework, and they finished and uploaded all of their homework.

Ah apologies - armed forces are non-contribution, whereas all others are.

Tell me you didn't teach in a school throughout Covid without telling me you didn't teach in a school.

Your post demonstrates that you are utterly out of touch with teaching, as many of us on here have pointed out to you. I'm not sure why you think I'm the only teacher with this experience. Most of us highlighted the problems at the time.

Gosh yes we know online school works for THOSE WHO ACTUALLY TURN UP TO ONLINE SCHOOL. I imagine its very nice as they have chosen to be there... or decided thats the best way for them to do school etc and if they dont want to be there they leave.

Completely different to mainstream education and amazed someone in it cant see that. Really hooking kids up to computers is nto the way.

Just because you can't control teenagers online, doesn't mean that everyone can't control them.

This is bollocks. Just because you are able to teach the kids whose parents are paying for your services doesn’t mean you’d be any better at getting Jayden off FIFA and onto his maths lesson that he doesn’t give a shit about and neither do his parents any better than the rest of us.

If conditions were better, it would be possible to improve detainment, and attract some teachers back. Better funding for education, and less knee-jerk change would go a long way to making things better. Add to that some improvement in youth mental health services, and the burden on schools would be reduced. Then you wouldn’t need to start training all your new teachers from scratch.

I will be a devils advocate- many SLT do behave like they work in a corporation, and many schools now have heads/executive heads who came from corporate world and think schools should be run the same way. Instead of teaching, they bang on about targets and numbers- children dont matter, they are just numbers under or over the target. The langauge used in schools becomes more and more corporate too. Academisation is another way this manifests, we academy chains etc, schools lose independence. All govern by some superhead who I bet has a diploma in business, not necessarily in education.

@Ragingbull1 "Why don't the Government employ a set of Teachers, who are the Creme de la creme in their field, and task them with writing all lesson content, for all pupils, for the whole of their primary education? These could be all cross checked to make sure they are perfect. Then upload them to a central library, that all teachers can access and download. That way we would know that we are teaching the right thing in the right way, and that every school is teaching the same verified content, AND teachers would not have to write any content, just familiarise themselves with the lesson before teaching, thus meaning they can actually have a life!

See, the thing you wrote about planning is a bit bs, sorry.

To explain, in my subject, there are a few schemes (some free, some paid) providing you whole SoWs with lessons, and while I like bits of each, I would HATE to have to teach whole sequences of them. They are only helpful if I take a few activities from here and there, I add my own and amend the whole thing for a class I teach. We have 9 people in our department. We teach from the same book, but we all teach the lessons in a different way, using activities that work for us and our classes. Which one of the 9 of us would you say is the right one if we all get similar results/engagement.
There is no such a thing as teaching all the kids the right way. There is no one right way. It's an incredibly simplistic view of teaching. I am a teacher, not a content deliverer.
I know what I need to teach my classes- a 'government specialist' who has never seen the said classes does not. I also doubt any government would be able to pick a creme de la creme (on what basis?). There is actually funnily a set of free downloadable resources in my subject made by a team of specialists cherry picked by the goverment. Some people who teach it like it. Most, me including, think it's utter, boring, dry crap. Id rather gauge my eyes with a teasponn than spent a year teaching those lessons in the shape they are.
I find it weird your daughter is a teacher and you think it's possible to just pop in, 'familiarise' yourself with a lesson and deliver it and you end up with amazing results- this is now how you teach. this is what I think the govermnet thinks teaching actually is, reading 'content' of a slide.
Plannin is not an issue in the workload, I plan lessons, but I dont have a life because of admin, meetings, pointless training, unnecessary marking and a gazillion of other tasks that do not make me a better teacher.

Well it doesn't always work like that does it, catchments change, you might buy a house where you'd get a place in desirable school this year but find next year when your child is due to start school/senior school that you don't get in.

My DS was Y7 in Covid. Logged on for a PHSE lesson. After him and his best mate had answered the last five questions in turn they realised they were probably the only two left in the lesson!
Online learning does suit a small number of students - DS completed every piece of work at home by himself as DH and I were both key workers. But it fails the vast majority of students.

Are you saying children with "nice white parents" are going to be clever and higher achievers than kids with what "not nice not white parents." I'm first generation born in Britain, my husband wasn't even born here. Our parents left school at 14. I find what you say offensive. If those "nice white parents" get classes for gifted pupils I assume any bright kid gets access to them and other children will benefit from smaller groups.

I went to an innercity primary in the 50s/60s and I can assure you the mainly immigrant mothers were ferocious in supporting the school and pushing their kids. As I said earlier I was in a class of 48 and 50% went to grammar school, a higher pass rate than the private school a ten minute walk away.

Teachers leaving in droves. Doctors leaving in droves. Perhaps if all the teachers were to retrain as doctors and vice versa, we could solve the whole thing in one fell swoop.

Come on now Noble. She once had to teach some teens for an afternoon. She knows what she’s talking about.

FFS. Teaching isn’t just about imparting knowledge. If that was the case why did we not just learn from books?

A teacher knows the children. They are scanning the room the whole time and can see who doesn’t get it, who they need to explain it again for, how to explain it in a different way.
They notice that Suzie has been very quiet today and they know that her mum is in hospital so they make sure to have a chat before she goes for break. They notice that Tommy has been wearing the same shirt with pasta sauce down it for the last week. They notice the bruises on Lucy when she takes her cardigan off. They help Sophie when she unexpectedly gets her first period aged 10.
They write reports to doctors, specialists and social services.

If you can get an AI to do all that then get going now and make your fortune.

Exactly. Presumably the country will allow Labour 14 years to tackle this stuff. Afterall it’s apparently taken the Tories 14 years to realise there’s even a problem with it.

I know a few people with kids at uni or who have recently graduated. None of them seemed to think online learning was great and you'd think they'd be more mature and motivated (having chosen their subject) than the average school pupil.

Give them better pay and conditions

Remove ofsted

Allow kids to take subjects they are good at art etc rather than something that benefits league tables

I taught in school for four years actually. Where are you getting one afternoon from..?

Oh yeah. You made that up. You sound like a 12 year old .

How long have you been a teacher for?

You need to move with the times. Technology has vastly improved since twenty years ago.

Also teenagers should be given more of a choice.

We as adults can choose work in office, hybridity or remotely.

Teens should have a choice in how they want to learn too, hybridity, in school or remotely.

Also...you still see the students when you teach them online...

The decision makers in government aren't affected by this as their own children don't go to state schools. Admittedly the situation in private schools may be less than ideal but it is nowhere near as bad as in state schools.

So I don't think anything will be done. Those that can impart change don't care.....

The vast majority of teachers I speak to want change and share the same thoughts in terms of what change is needed- to the curriculum, expectations, lack of creative subjects, one size fits all approach etc.. As do head teachers, pupils, parents and everyone else involved except the decision makers in government.

It's a shit show. The best advice I can give to parents of kids in state schools is buckle up, support the teachers as best you can, help your kids retain their self esteem and get them through it with the least damage as possible.

DS1 would choose remotely, and stay in bed until lunchtime each day.
DS2 would probably also choose remotely, he'd be up earlier but there would be a million things more important to him than checking in with school work.
While the system puts such weight on getting exam results, I'd need them to be at school where someone and in fact many someones are encouraging them to do the work and and helping them along when they are stuck.
I don't think teenagers always make the right choices for themselves if they are given a lot of options.

DS1 is also likely to choose a career where he won't have a choice about working from home or hybridly, lots of practical jobs require people to be actually present.

I think you have misunderstood me, I was referring to this podcast: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/podcasts/nice-white-parents-serial.html
I am not saying that only white parents are nice, far from it, just that the social construct you are describing wouldn’t necessarily have the desired outcome that has been widely pitched by the Labour party. In previous schools where socially demographically opposed children have attended, the effect wasn’t that the general level of education was raised, it was that the richer parents fundraised various programmes like gifted and talented classes (which their children were beneficiaries of), which meant it actually removed funding from less educationally able children. I’m the child of immigrant grandparents, so please do not misconstrue what is being said.

Four whole years! Do tell all of us teachers with decades of experience about your amazing wealth of knowledge.

Yes I know technology has improved in the last twenty years.

Like I said, if you can create an AI that will do all the pastoral support then crack on.

Haha.

You certainly remind me of some of the teachers that I used to work with.

They used to love nothing more than bragging about themselves , and belittling and talking down to other teachers.

Eg. " you only have one Master's degree Susan? How sweet.
I have two Master's degrees.

It's so ridiculous.

By the way that was four years of in - school experience. I have taught online for many more years after that.

You being older doesn't make you better . Do you talk down to young graduate teachers like that ?

You are being patronising suggesting that those of us with experience don’t have the first idea about emerging technologies. I’m suggesting that perhaps we have experienced situations that you might not have considered.