So if teachers are leaving in droves

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and recruitment is very low, what is going to happen? It can't continue like this surely and education levels will suffer enormously.

Massive classes for the teachers that remain?

Huge recruitment drive to entice more people into the profession?

Entice teachers out of retirement?

Recruitment from abroad?

I qualified in 95. It was a fantastic job in the early years.

There is an argument that the right people aren’t attracted to teaching as a profession in this country due to the low salaries. In countries where teachers work full time for 12 months (ie even during holidays) you rarely have this issue as salaries are sufficient enough to attract people who should be teachers.

They could recruit from Scotland - very few/no teaching permanent jobs here for all the NQTs and many more qualified teachers on temp contracts looking for permanent roles.

Interesting that we have a teacher shortage after 14 years of Tory rule and there's still idiots looking to criticise Keir Starmer over it.

countries where teachers work full time for 12 months (ie even during holidays)

Which countries have teachers working full time for 12 months a year?

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You don’t think we work during holidays ???

It's not just teachers it's TAs too. My son's TA (year 1) has just left for an office job. They are paid an appalling amount and have a tough job so as a result this is what's happening. It's disgusting it's a minimum wage job, they help shape the future generation.

I suppose a quick temporary fix is to get teachers from abroad. My dd had a teacher from abroad. The teacher was appalled at the goings on and left after one year. Don’t blame her.

A Tory minister from the DofE visited school and was surprised that TA’s were leaving, she had no idea how much they were paid !

What do you think the main issues are? Pay, admin workload, behaviour? Absurdly huge course content at GCSE? All of the above? The sector does seem to be beset by problems at the moment. It’s really worrying.

All of the above, throw in crumbling buildings and budgets cut to the bone .
And don’t get me started on MATs

It’s so intense and hard. I couldn’t hack it.

We need it all reimagined.

I’d go for more tech solutions with kids self learning with teacher intervention when needed.
Behaviour management separated from teaching.
Children given opportunity rather than seeing school as a punishment.

Everything isn’t rosey in the private sector either. Many are struggling financially and losing teachers as they’re taking staff out of TPS

Yes indeed. Not sure how this can be anyone's fault but the Tories.

It sounds like it should work but I have a mil who worked in a school in NZ that adopted device heavy teaching methods and the educational outcomes plummeted.

Since then I've read similar assessments in a broader scale. Like this.

www.sensiblescreenuse.org/post/devices-associated-with-reduced-student-performance-in-nz

To those who say that that if private schools close those teachers would go to the state sector -most wouldn’t! I absolutely would not teach in a state school.

It’s very mass market at the moment- suitable for a proportion and unsuitable for the rest.

If we had device heavy, individualised learning, those who are self motivated could get on with it, freeing up resource for those who need more structure.

DS got excused from poor economics a level classes and taught himself. If we release the kids that aren’t suited we can better address the needs of the ones who need More support.

We’re going to end up forced to, as we won’t have the capacity to do anything else.

This is absolutely already happening! The new ECT programme is a joke - no accountability for the new teacher whatsoever.

Yep, we’ve had SCITT trainees who are useless but can’t be failed !!!!

You sound like a sneering Tory.
What’s their plan? Oh, that’s right, fuck all, just let things get worse.

We have a student from abroad. The government are funding her training but won't pay for a working visa- the school who eventually employs her will have to foot the bill. Unsurprisingly, she hasn't yet got a job and is very demoralized, as are we who have invested a lot of time and effort into supporting her. It's bonkers.

Thank you.
i am firmly of the opinion that the whole 11 to 18 pathway needs re-thinking. I don’t see what the current GCSE framework is achieving other than alienating a whole cohort from learning. God knows what it must be like to have to teach it.

Maybe we will see an end to pushing academic success as the be all and end all. Maybe they'll realise kids do need to be streamed by ability and given pathways to appropriate qualifications rather than all being expected to get a minimum grade in a subject they haven't got any interest in. Maybe the comprehensive system needs to be declared a failed experiment.

You will get unqualified staff teaching lessons. Or rather babysitting a class while trying to teach from a lesson plan someone else has (hopefully!) planned requiring the person delivering to have only basic subject knowledge.

I’m an ex teacher and this was already happening when I was leaving the profession 10 years ago.