So if teachers are leaving in droves

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and recruitment is very low, what is going to happen? It can't continue like this surely and education levels will suffer enormously.

Massive classes for the teachers that remain?

Huge recruitment drive to entice more people into the profession?

Entice teachers out of retirement?

Recruitment from abroad?

Labour have a plan

6500 new teachers

From "somewhere"

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They need to look at why teachers are leaving. I'm 55 this year. Plan to ho early. Can't keep the pace. Will have to get a part time job to supplement pension. Retention is a major issue.

I think it’s going to reach crisis point very soon. It’s not the profession it once was and it’s not attracting people. Abusive, entitled parents and badly behaved children, along with ineffective management. It’s the perfect storm.

We are getting a few new teachers after half term, all from South Africa. Things must be very bad there to entice them to come here!

Well quite.

I'm afraid we will see some new teachers get through training that probably shouldn't have.

There is already recruitment from abroad. There is a careers fair in the local uni where I live (not UK) and it is predominantly UK academies looking to recruit NQTs

Where I am, NQTs go to the UK for a few years to gain experience, which then makes it easier to gain employment once they move back home

6500 teachers. Yet another pie in the sky promise from Sir Kier.

The same magic place they are getting all these tradespeople to build all these houses?

If a teacher is ill short term then lessons in the hall supervised by SLT and do your homework rather than an actual lesson.

If a department is down one or multiple teachers long term then the specialists (the teachers who are actually trained in that subject) teach the older students )priority exam classes) and the school gets other teachers to teach year 7/ year 8 (this is already very common in maths or science)
Many many schools have teachers picking up year 7 maths who aren't maths teachers

Bigger classes - we always used to split year 11 up into smaller groups - top set and set 2 would be normal size (30 or so) but they we'd have lots of small groups of 10-15; these small groups will go and it'll be bigger classes all round.

The biggest class I personally have ever taught was 36.

More automated marking of homework etc - so stuff like dr frost, as teachers focus on time on class and don't have time to mark homework.

I think we’ll see a lot of big cohorts supervised in halls being “taught” by watching videos - Oak Academy style. And a lot of use of technology.

This is already happening, 4 out of the last 5 students we have had we put on support plans and reccomended they fail the placement, one we even offered to have back to repeat the placement.
The university passed them all. We employed the only one we thought was any good.

For non compulsory gcse subjects, if the school can't recruit it won't offer it at gcse.

So fewer schools offering languages at gcse. Some subjects have lots of people (relatively) wanting to teach so gcse PE and RE and history are probably pretty safe.

I still love my teaching job but the needs are SO much higher than ten years ago and I do t get any more adult support to help those children. The job gets harder and harder and I’ve worked in schools where either the parents become more entitled and extremely rude or they are totally disengaged. I am on top of behaviour but for a new teacher, managing this and getting it right is much harder these days, never mind the teaching. This is the only job where you are expected to be an expert immediately.

On top of this there is an expectation of evidencing everything and unnecessary work. However, as the calibre of person comes through all this evidencing and checks become necessary. We are in a Catch 22.

@Wizardcalledoz are you in Aus? (Ex NZ here)

It's going to end up looking the same as how nursing, midwifery, care home staffing and hospitality has gone.

Basically bring in people from abroad, pay them shit all and expect it all to go swimmingly for everyone.

Don't forget the nurses/doctors/police

My DD's school already has 3 or 4 classes together regularly for "cover" lessons in the hall where they sit doing worksheets in silence (and learning bugger all). They have recently recruited teachers from Jamaica. I imagine it will be like the NHS where increasing numbers of staff will be from overseas.

It will even itself out in a generation or two due to the population decline. Meanwhile, I honestly don't know where they are going to come from.

To be fair, I think teachers are paid quite well, I'm top of main scale and quite comfortable. DH earns just above minimum wage and the kids are teens so no childcare costs though.

Massive classes for the teachers that remain? Yes, already happening

Huge recruitment drive to entice more people into the profession? They've tried that for several years. It's not happening. (Despite the shit adverts on 'Change a life - Get into Teaching'

Entice teachers out of retirement? 😂😂😂😂When you've been there, and done that and you know EXACTLY what it is like - there isn't enough enticement you could offer

Recruitment from abroad? has been tried. I've worked with several teachers who have come over from Africa and Asia. They have been horrified at the behavior in British schools and have left. (One of them was called a N word cunt to her face. SLT gave 'one day isolation')

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This!

Poor behaviour from both children and parents has created a horrible work environment. Pressure from the SLT is adding to the misery. It’s no fun anymore. This is according to my SIL who is a teacher.

Ooh, we could inflate the cost of private education, reduce the demand for it, and then mop up those made redundant in state education?

I qualified in 97 so spent the first half of my career under Labour. There was much more funding, the Tories have bled education dry.