I know, why don't we send them all to Rwanda?

[Weighnow]

Does anyone else think this sounds like a suggestion someone made as a joke, to liven up a dull or fraught meeting and somehow, someone decided to run with it?

Nothing new under the sun about the far right scapegoating immigrants.

Not sure what America has to do with anything. It is a fact that the UK has recruited (and exploited in some instances) labour from all over the world for a long time. Most services in this country rely on immigration to function, particularly public services.

And British men are relevant to the argument that immigrant men are more prone to sexual abuse or crimes in general. That is just not statistically true, what is true though is that all men inclined, go to other countries and commit crimes. What we should be focussing on is how our system deals with those men in this country. A better immigration system will deal with those people, lock them up or deport them as necessary. Rwanda policy will at best deal with 200 of those men, how does that deal with root issue? Bearing in mind that most of them are not likely to be criminals and a fair few will probably be granted asylum status anyway!

Your paraphrasing is woeful

I’ve posted that the solutions cited from safe routes to ID cards and faster processing won’t work

Which is why you only see it on mn threads not EU policy or anywhere else

More nonsense. The Rwanda plan is most definitely not going to make so much as a perceptible dent on immigration.

The reason safe routes and faster processing aren't being suggested is because your government want to build up this crisis in order to perpetuate their "them against us" narrative in order to secure the racist vote. Which is pretty much the only vote left for them.

And how come all the Brexiteers are so keen on EU policy all of a sudden?

@TheSnakeCharmer

The reality is that, if people want to protect their standard of living, want crime reduced, want better integration, want easier access to housing and healthcare, then immigration has to be done in a controlled and planned way. It's hard to control illegal immigration.

Salient point.

Although a lot of people on here seem to think bringing tens of thousands of young men of whom we know zero about their background or motives is absolutely fine. Because you know, 'compassion'.

What could possibly go wrong!

I will start out by saying that i am politically neutral. I have no affiliation to any party, but i do get rather tired of people banding around misconceptions about political parties. It's a bit of an assumption to say that Tories have led to the privatisation of the healthcare, when actually it reached a peak in 2010 under labour. I just think that it's important, when making an assertion, to have checked it out first.

I tend to use fact checking sites to get a more impartial accurate view.

https://fullfact.org/health/NHS-privatisation/

Who are you referring to here?

You’ve done this before so I assume me. I voted remain

I still think your pie in the sky ‘safe routes’ belongs on mn threads not anywhere near actual policy

Which is where it will stay. As you see EU shift to the right to deal with the increasing issue

David Cameron on Peston explains how we need the Rwanda plan because of Brexit

Anushka Asthana, "Hand on heart. If this had come up when you were PM, would you have gone with this Rwanda policy?"

David Cameron, "We had a situation where you could return people directly to France.. People land on a beach in Kent, you take them straight back to France.. You therefore break the model of the people smugglers"

Anushka Asthana, "Shouldn't you be trying to get that?"

David Cameron, "That's not available at the moment"

Anushka Asthana, "Because of Brexit?"

David Cameron, "(Yes) Because of the situation we are in (having left the EU)"

Is it due to lack of exposure to world news?

I’m not sure why people are so insulated from what’s going on with other countries and political shift / migration pressure

Poland didn't shift to the right in their general election

I suppose one can focus on Poland and ignore all
else if it helps but this might be of use for general
shift

https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-braces-for-far-right-wave-as-eu-election-looms/

Maybe I'm old fashioned but I like to see evidence before we start chucking £600 million at other governments.

The Conservatives have what they want - and we will be able to judge them on results.

Personally, I don’t have an upper limit off head. We live in a world where people are displaced and this will only continue the way things are going, war, climate change etc. So long as the country is simultaneously working on its infrastructure and resources, movement of migrants doesn’t have to be a bad thing. But I am not the PM so have no say in the matter.

I’m not sure if most citizens will reject it, I think it is how the idea is managed. In this country, there is a lot of media focus on the negatives of immigration with little understanding of the positives and the ways it can benefit society overall. Big business understands this though, which is why they leave the UK and move to countries with more open borders and workers who can move about a bit. The future will be much more of a global world with populations being more fluid, I think the countries that accept this and make it work for them will probably fair better in the long term.

The Rwanda policy is stupid and even this government accept that there is no evidence it will work. But what it will do is help them to claw back some of those Reform voters.

I am also confused what other countries have to do with the UK's Rwanda plan

And posting the same article twice is not making that any clearer.

I appreciate the answer on no upper limit. People tend to get defensive when asked

I think you can expect very high numbers and perhaps you can sell that in but seeing the destabilising effect I’m not so sure it won’t have some high level of difficulty

You seemed to focus in on Poland to make some point, it’s not the general trend as you can see from the article

Again no one is going to use safe routes or faster processing so there’s no point in these threads presenting them as options

If you want a solution to increasing trafficking you’ll need something else

Well, Rwanda ain't it!

And have people understood that for every refugee we send to Rwanda, we have to receive one back from there?

How does that affect your numbers?

Deterrent is it so it depends how tough posters want to be

From Aus level to Albania 100% returns

If people are wanting something that works there’s no safe route way

An increasing trend towards far right xenophobia isn't actually evidence that Rwanda like plans will work. You know that right?

No, I just gave Poland as an example to your EU countries are moving to the right

Deterrent clearly doesn't work though. Not in the slightest.

The chance of drowning in the channel is rather more deterring than maybe being sent to Rwanda (or even Albania), but it hasn't stopped them.

I’ve said Aus works see graph below for boat numbers, you can scroll back?

Albania 100% returns has stopped traffickers

If you want ‘works’ there’s your real world versions not mn ideas

Up to you if that’s what you want but all the other stuff suggested, no chance. That’s why no one is doing it.

Tell you what, let's go back to when there wasn't a problem with small boats at all.

Let's rejoin the EU and have the Dublin Agreement back.