I know, why don't we send them all to Rwanda?

[Weighnow]

Does anyone else think this sounds like a suggestion someone made as a joke, to liven up a dull or fraught meeting and somehow, someone decided to run with it?

That's nuts. We have plenty of home bred miscreants, why do we have to also import them? Anyone convicted of breaking the law should be automatically deported. They should have thought about deportation and other punishment before they committed the crime. And before they start about rights to family life, that's ok pal, you can take your family with you.

and as a bonus cruella suella might be joining you there on her jolly holibobs

he problem is that you and people like you seem to think that only foreigners behave in this way, as I pointed out home grown indigenous Brits also carry out those acts not because they are white or British or anything other than the fact that they are sick men and unfortunately in some cases women.

The men in Rotheram weren’t sick - they had a set of religious and social beliefs different to the majority in the U.K.

I'd have to agree with you. I don't think PP quite realise just how large Australia is, and how unpopulated the northern parts are. This means miles upon miles of coastline are lonely. They are patrolled by drone and the Navy, but it is impossible to have eyes everywhere. There is a story in the media today about a boat with 10 Chinese men that beached on a Northern airbase. One of the men just walked on in to the base and asked for assistance. This base is used for military operations and reconnaissance, but it missed this.

These men have been sent to Nauru.

www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-24/chinese-boat-arrivals-air-base-western-australia/103742276

Of course I know Aus

Look at the chart below for how high numbers were

And again on these threads my main point is posts on safe routes, foreign aid, faster processing and ID cards are all missing what would be required.

None of those will get people to their posts ‘of course I want the crossings to stop’

So to get there think about what it takes in Aus

Unless you were escaping Rwanda, then you would. We granted asylum to 15 Rwandans last year, they and the people who processed them thought Rwanda was a bad place to live.

Another way to show the decision to be made

This is the reaction to the EU pact

“After years of negotiations, EU institutions are now shamefully co-signing an agreement that they know will lead to greater human suffering,” she said.

“For people escaping conflict, persecution or economic insecurity these reforms will mean less protection and a greater risk of facing human rights violations across Europe – including illegal and violent pushbacks, arbitrary detention and discriminatory policing.

Oxfam had earlier denounced the pact as a recipe for “deterrents, detention and deportation” rather than protection of human rights.

There is no way to stop people movement and not get this kind of reaction. There’s no ‘safe routes’ version where Oxfam and human rights agencies say great

And still the right say it will

‘in effect—sending out a letter of invitation to migrants wanting to reach the continent’

So even with the criticism it might cause a spike

When people see what is required they can decide, but mostly these threads fill up with ideas that aren’t relevant

It’s this kind of reaction or higher numbers

You'll have to explain your workings as to how importanting hundreds of thousands, if not millions of low skilled , low educated migrants can be good value for the taxpayer, and good for the quality of life of people who already live here.

What's your point? Seems a reasonable explanation for why we had zero small boat crossings pre-Brexit and why we're here now. How do you explain the phenomenon?

It seems their human rights are always seen as more important than the innocent victims.

What's our quality of life like after 14years of this government's "hostile environment"?

How is the 1.8m cost for every person we ship to Rwanda good value for the taxpayer?

Our policy on immigration seems to have been based on making it so unattractive to live in the UK that the only people wanting to come here are billionaire asset strippers & the desperate. We can't attract doctors, scientists, academics or nurses, our place at the top table for international research funding has been lost and our reputation has been trashed.

I'm not sure "importanting low educated migrants" is the problem here and not the poorly educated natives being sold yet another policy based on jingoism rather than evidence.

@LilacFatball

Our policy on immigration seems to have been on making it so unattractive to live in the UK

The stats say otherwise. Just off for my morning stroll across the fields near me. Oh no, wait, they've been turned into a housing estate.

Analysis has covered this

since 2014 the UK and French governments have invested in enhanced security in and around French ports and the Eurotunnel to prevent stowaways on lorries and trains bound for the UK. These measures include more perimeter fencing and lighting, additional CCTV, more guards and dogs conducting more frequent patrols, CO2scanners, infra-red motion detection, and vehicle screening cameras (Bolt, 2020, p. 34).

The representative to the UK of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees has argued that more stringent controls on road travel, and the coronavirus pandemic, have had the effect of closing off lorry and air routes to the UK, leading to more people using alternative means, including crossing the Channel in small boats.

Another contributing factor has been the expansion of smuggling operations across the Channel – smuggler groups have become larger and increasingly professionalised in recent years, and were able to capitalise on their experience as enforcement measures were progressively tightened.

We shouldn't be attracting doctors nurses etc. we should be training up people already here, bringing back nurse bursaries and accepting far more to medical school. But our crap govt would rather waste money on lockdowns etc. (half a trillion). Once here these illegals often bring the rest of their family so they're not low cost, and often on benefits or doing low skilled work.

A phenomenon not limited to migrants... what with our fantastic rape conviction rate, and wonderful history of believing victims of abuse. These things don't happen in a vacuum, our own misogyny is just as much to blame.

That's the same for our native population of offenders, it's how human rights work.

The U.K. is attractive, look at the BBC clip below to see how much people think it is

As climate pressure increases the flow is north, so it will increase

If pp are looking for something that ‘works’, ie stops traffickers the most effective has been the Albania policy switch.

Whether voters will push politicians to the same response for more countries we’ll see

It is at the very most 10000 young men per year. Contrary to your belief, the majority of these are skilled and educated people, who cannot get a job in their own country, but can pay £10,000s to come to the UK. I have a friend from the DRC who is a teacher - not allowed to work, another who is an architect from east Europe - not allowed to work. A stupid policy.

Don't be ridiculous of course they were sick, no religion condones sexual assault, Does the bible order priests to be paedophiles? by saying it's their religion you are actually removing accountability for their actions, anyway to get back on track you can't assume that all foreigners are going to be criminals just because other people of a foreign background committed crimes,so the people arriving on boats should be treated with the dignity that you would expect to be treated with in the same position

There are plenty of countries I would like to live in but if I got in a boat there and threw my passport away I wouldn't expect to be treated with dignity (and wouldn't be by most countries who are run in a more sensible way eg Japan).

If you already have a problem (and you do) why import more young males from cultures that demonstrably hate women? Why make a bad problem worse?

It seems to me that women are disproportionately suffering from these policies. A government’s first priority is to their own people. Not to refugees who break the law.

Nobody should give refuge to literal rapists. They have broken the trust extended to them. Imagine caring about refugees over your own people. Awful.

Personally, I'm happy to deport convicted violent criminals. But the vast majority perpetrators are not refugees. All this faux concern for women's safety comes out from xenophones who otherwise don't give a shit what happens to us.

I'm sure you'd be on here ranting and raving that you weren't treated with dignity if that were the case

Personally, I'm happy to deport convicted violent criminals

Wonderful!

But the vast majority perpetrators are not refugees

Lol knew a ‘But’ was coming. Of course locals will commit the most. But even one unvetted male is a risk nobody should be asked to take. Please stop caring about the safety of a foreign male over a local woman.

All this faux concern for women's safety comes out from xenophones who otherwise don't give a shit what happens to us

I really don’t care about their motives tbh because it IS a real issue. At least SOMEBODY is taking it seriously (and tbh it shouldn’t be left to the ‘far right’ as they are just exploiting a political vacuum).