I know, why don't we send them all to Rwanda?

[Weighnow]

Does anyone else think this sounds like a suggestion someone made as a joke, to liven up a dull or fraught meeting and somehow, someone decided to run with it?

You've got your numbers wrong. Most of that 1.2m would not have been applying for asylum. There were about 80k asylum applications, but there were twice as many humanitarian visas issued (Ukraine etc). 12k asylum applications were granted. Delusional about where the real problems lie.

How much are you thinking would work?

The EU is sending millions to Tunisia to try but the flow across the Med is still happening

Ill treatment? They would be rejected whether they were here or Rwanda. The rules would still apply.

They don't necessarily. Difference is they chose here.

Are you suggesting we get rid of golf courses by building houses on them? 🤣🤣. That would be great for the environment…….not.

That's for border control, not foreign aid.

@GoonieGang I am sorry you can not understand the point of law. But the Rwanda plan has been ruled illegal.
The government response is to try and change the law and declare legally that Rwanda is a safe country.
As I said before I highly doubt anyone will be sent to Rwanda and the government know that. It is simply to buy votes.

Oh come on, golf courses are terrible for the environment.

Yes and it’s not doing much even though it’s high

How much more are you thinking?

@Weighnow I'm guessing a lot of the countries people are escaping from have corrupt governments. All the money in the world isn't going to make, for example, Afghanistan welcoming to LGBT people.

People come here for the NHS, the free education, the human rights, the legal system, the housing, the welfare state - all those wonderful things that they think will make their lives so much better. But we know from our own experiences that everything that made the UK enviable is crumbling. Bringing more people in to benefit from a system that can't even support the existing population is just madness.

You only have to read MN for 10 minutes to see that we are broken.

Golf courses are terrible for the environment.

We're not overcrowded, we lack investment in infrastructure. Have you been to the Netherlands lately?

I just calculated it and based on asylum claims in 2021 France had 7.2 claims per km2, we had 5.5. Any more maths you want me to do? The French allow all citizens of former French colonies to migrate to France, we do not offer the same so really it is not a fair comparison.

Exactly, they chose to travel through perfectly safe countries but will risk their kids life to get to Britain. If my kids were at risk of persecution then I wouldn’t risk their lives further by trying to get to a country who doesn’t have the room or resources.

@MumblesParty Rwanda is not welcoming to LGBT people either.

not true!

Different, rather than more? Giving them money to do our dirty work isn't working. Giving (different) countries support to improve the lot of their own people might.

The idea we can resolve every corrupt state, mafia state or cartels or reverse climate impact is unrealistic

The EU can put in millions for border control but it won’t do much as, going back to earlier point, the demand is incredibly high and elastic

And? I've already said the government should look at why people aren't stopping in those countries. I really doubt its because they threaten to sell people to Rwanda

Really? REALLY?

How gracious of you to proclaim that we use land wrongly. Golf courses tend to be privately owned and belong to the members. What is your solution? Confiscation by the state and/ or a forced sale to a developer. Or perhaps you envisage simply handing out parcels of land to worthy irregular immigrants would work?

But it is a safe country. And they travel through the safest countries in the world to get here.

Oh and tell all those pesky Brits who quite like golf, that their golfing needs are secondary now.

This is such a bizarre and reductive way of looking at people. People contribute to the community foremost as members of that community — as family, friends, as part of a social fabric. Following this rationale to its conclusion, we'd euthanise all the pensioners for being net drag on taxes.

The £1.4m per person going to Rwanda, is that more palatable for you?

The main point is that Rwanda is very costly and is going to have even less impact than the current attempts, so why is it so popular/considered such a vote winner?

I really don't think the solution is to house migrants on golf courses