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All these people taking weight loss appetite suppressant drugs?!!

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OnHerSolidFoundations · 20/04/2024 06:29

Is it me or is this a bit sinister?

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KeinLiebeslied54321 · 20/04/2024 08:19

AceOfCups · 20/04/2024 06:52

I agree OP, I think it’s madness…

but then I am very skeptical of Big Pharma in general

Have you never taken any medication whatsoever then?

SallyWD · 20/04/2024 08:21

I think it's not surprising when you consider more than half of adults in the UK are overweight or obese. The resulting health complications cost the NHS a lot of money so of course they're looking for solutions - and most overweight people welcome help in losing weight.

AceOfCups · 20/04/2024 08:21

Have you never taken any medication whatsoever then?

of course I have! That doesn’t mean that I can’t be skeptical of Big Pharma as an industry and its predatory strategies and flagrant disregard for safety if they stand to make a few billion (ie. Vioxx, opioid epidemic etc)

otherwayup · 20/04/2024 08:24

The idea that these drugs will save money for the nhs is rubbish, I've heard and read about so many people piling back on the weight they lost (and more) once they stop the drugs.

Twiglets1 · 20/04/2024 08:24

soupfiend · 20/04/2024 08:02

I used them too, they're not an appetite suppressant in the traditional way such as speed etc.

It shuts down food noise, or did for me, I had an appetite but it was easily satiated, normal amounts satisfied whereas like another poster said, usually nothing would satisfy. It works on your hunger hormones for want of a better description. Not only that, but the type of food that satisfied me was completely different

I didnt stay on it because I couldnt bear having an injection and found I was avoiding it and so not consistent. I had no side effects except weight loss. I believe its a wonderful intervention for those that can tolerate it

My partner has been on it for around 4/5 years now (the same drug) and will likely stay on this, I dont know where someone got the idea that you can only take it for 2 years, certainly that isnt the medical plan for him as a diabetic.

I said it’s effectively an appetite suppressant not that it’s similar to speed. Losing the “food noise” is precisely because you have little appetite.

It’s recommended for 2 years only as an aid to weight loss, if you look at the NHS guidelines.

It’s totally different to people using it to control diabetes so your partner potentially taking it for life is not the same as you taking it for life. You need to do more research if you think the guidelines are the same regardless of someone’s condition ( obesity versus diabetes). Why would you continue taking it once your weight is in the normal range and who would even prescribe it if you are honest about your weight?

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 20/04/2024 08:25

AceOfCups · 20/04/2024 08:21

Have you never taken any medication whatsoever then?

of course I have! That doesn’t mean that I can’t be skeptical of Big Pharma as an industry and its predatory strategies and flagrant disregard for safety if they stand to make a few billion (ie. Vioxx, opioid epidemic etc)

So you're happy not to be sceptical when you need medication?
What do you even think you mean by 'skeptical of big pharma"?
Laughable.

PineappleTime · 20/04/2024 08:25

OnHerSolidFoundations · 20/04/2024 07:38

Obesity can be "cured" by eating less, mainly veg and moving around more!

Guess what? That's good for your mental & physical health too 🤷‍♀️

Wow! Amazing! Thanks for your insight! We never tried that!!!

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 20/04/2024 08:26

PineappleTime · 20/04/2024 08:25

Wow! Amazing! Thanks for your insight! We never tried that!!!

It's as if OP doesn't realise there's colours other than black and white.

40andlovelife · 20/04/2024 08:27

otherwayup · 20/04/2024 08:24

The idea that these drugs will save money for the nhs is rubbish, I've heard and read about so many people piling back on the weight they lost (and more) once they stop the drugs.

I think the only way they keep it off permanently after using the drug is to ensure healthy lifestyle and mindset towards food and exercise

PineappleTime · 20/04/2024 08:28

40andlovelife · 20/04/2024 07:49

Definitely sinister. I'm seeing a massive rise on my social media of people selling weight loss supplements alongside pictures of people when they were fat and now much slimmer after a few weeks apparently. This can not ne good for the body so yes it's sinister. They are praying on people's vulnerabilities such as low self esteem and the need for a quick fix. Very sinister. People on Ozempic, losing the weight but looking 30 years older due to speedy loss of collagen etc. sinister.

Sinister was the correct word.

Weight loss = eat less crap and exercise.

What do snake oil weight loss scammy supplements have to do with evidence based medical treatment for the condition of obesity?

Twiglets1 · 20/04/2024 08:29

AhBiscuits · 20/04/2024 08:03

My diet and lifestyle is very different now from when I started. I have a very set routine of what I eat and how much. I make sure it's very healthy and balanced. Without the extra weight exercise is easier, I run, I cycle to work and am generally more active.
I'm acutely aware of the risk of regain and sustainable lifestyle changes have always been front and centre of my mind. I stop the drug in 5 weeks and my plan is continue exactly as I am. I know that it will be challenging, but the plan is to change nothing about what I'm doing right now.

That’s great that you have changed your lifestyle and are way more active now. That may make the difference between regaining the weight and not regaining it.

Good Luck and I hope you can keep the weight off. You have a much better chance than people in denial about the challenges ahead.

bluecomputerscreen · 20/04/2024 08:30

AhBiscuits · 20/04/2024 07:36

They are fantastic and will only get better. We're likely to reach a point in the next 10 years when obesity can effectively be cured through medication. That's a good thing for the health of the nation. We're getting fatter all the time and without them I can't see that improving.

Full disclosure, I've been on Wegovy for 5 months and have lost 36lbs. I need to lose another 8lbs to hit my goal of a healthy BMI. Its been an absolute game changer for me and has allowed me to focus on building good habits and routines without the constant overwhelming desire to overeat sabotaging my efforts.

it's great to hear your progress.

I don't think it's wrong to take medication (if safe and effective) to aid weight loss.

but on their own it's not enough. there also needs to be help to achive a sustainable lifestyle change after a goal has been achieved or the medication can no longer be taken due to cost/side effects/other reasons.

soupfiend · 20/04/2024 08:30

Twiglets1 · 20/04/2024 08:24

I said it’s effectively an appetite suppressant not that it’s similar to speed. Losing the “food noise” is precisely because you have little appetite.

It’s recommended for 2 years only as an aid to weight loss, if you look at the NHS guidelines.

It’s totally different to people using it to control diabetes so your partner potentially taking it for life is not the same as you taking it for life. You need to do more research if you think the guidelines are the same regardless of someone’s condition ( obesity versus diabetes). Why would you continue taking it once your weight is in the normal range and who would even prescribe it if you are honest about your weight?

No, food noise is not the same as appetite, its a totally different thing

I did my research about the drug, I know all about it, I also attend appointments with my partner. Im not talking about the guidelines per se, Im talking about the active use of it for the obese, it can take longer than 2 years for someone to reach a normal weight in any case.

He is of a normal weight now, he wont be coming off it but the point is about the action on the body doesnt change at the 2 year point. I wouldnt be surprised if and when it starts to be used as a maintenance tool as well, i suppose studies will dictate how it can be used.

Someone who is a healthy weight shouldnt be using it to start with if they havent already been on it and I dont think thats what this discussion is about so Im not sure what your last comment means. I think that for people who have been morbidly obese, they will have different needs to someone who never has so may well need to continue with it, who knows.

AceOfCups · 20/04/2024 08:32

What do you even think you mean by 'skeptical of big pharma"?

I believe that Big Pharma is a predatory industry and will disregard patient safety wherever they can get away with it in order to make a few more billion.

3luckystars · 20/04/2024 08:33

So many people are on ozempic now. It seems like a total miracle drug and is also thought to reduce gambling and alcohol urges too, there is more research happening around this.
The results are incredible.
The drug companies profits are enormous and people are shrinking. It’s like a movie script!

Max28W · 20/04/2024 08:34

Type 2 Diabetes is not curable. It is reversible for some. You can be no-obese and still have type 2 Diabetes.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 20/04/2024 08:36

Ultimately a healthy diet and regular exercise are the best way to control weight, however if there are safe and properly researched ways to 'kick start' this I have no issue.

For those saying that 'big pharma' are just out to make money - yes, of course they are, but so is any business! Do you realise how much time, effort, expertise and money are needed to develop safe and effective medicines? Do you realise how many potential drugs fail at each stage of testing? It's very difficult to make a drug which has absolutely no potential side effects or contraindications, it's a case of balancing benefit versus side effects! People need to accept that medication isn't necessarily a wonder cure, it's often just a tool to help. Of course some medications, e.g. insulin for diabetics, are life saving.

LuciferRising · 20/04/2024 08:36

Do you have to take them for life or so you then decide to eat healthy and exercise?

40andlovelife · 20/04/2024 08:37

@PineappleTime they all have 1 thing in common. They encourage the easy way out and prey on people's vulnerabilities.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 20/04/2024 08:38

Max28W · 20/04/2024 08:34

Type 2 Diabetes is not curable. It is reversible for some. You can be no-obese and still have type 2 Diabetes.

You are correct.
Obesity is linked to Type 2 diabetes, and losing weight can help manage the diabetes if you are overweight, however slim people can also get Type 2 diabetes.

3luckystars · 20/04/2024 08:38

Well, past a certain point, it’s almost impossible to lose thar much weight without something like this. It is giving people hope.

It is looking like a miracle drug to me.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 20/04/2024 08:38

40andlovelife · 20/04/2024 08:37

@PineappleTime they all have 1 thing in common. They encourage the easy way out and prey on people's vulnerabilities.

Not true.
Medication can help encourage people to make the correct changes.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 20/04/2024 08:39

AceOfCups · 20/04/2024 08:32

What do you even think you mean by 'skeptical of big pharma"?

I believe that Big Pharma is a predatory industry and will disregard patient safety wherever they can get away with it in order to make a few more billion.

You believing it doesn't mean it is true.

40andlovelife · 20/04/2024 08:39

@KeinLiebeslied54321 yes I totally agree, but in easier way.

KeinLiebeslied54321 · 20/04/2024 08:41

3luckystars · 20/04/2024 08:33

So many people are on ozempic now. It seems like a total miracle drug and is also thought to reduce gambling and alcohol urges too, there is more research happening around this.
The results are incredible.
The drug companies profits are enormous and people are shrinking. It’s like a movie script!

Pharmaceutical companies have to make money otherwise how would they fund new research?