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How’s this for a whole new level of cheeky fuckery - someone has token our allotment!

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YaMuvva · 11/04/2024 12:00

Moved into our new house in January. Bought off a lovely lady who was a widow and something of a popular figure in the street (relevant).

We were pleasantly surprised to find that in the deeds it came with a garage across the road (which we’d seen at the viewing but it wasn’t clear it belonged to the house) and an allotment plot. We’ve actually been on an allotment waiting list for years so it was nice news.

We’ve already had aggro with the garage - when we got the keys we went to open it and found that it was rammed full of full boxes! I called previous owner directly as she gave us her number (as assumed they were hers) and she said she allowed our next door neighbour for years to use it. He was most put out when we told him to clear his stuff as we needed to use it. This was 3 months ago, and only last week did he finally clear it out, and only did so when we had to get shitty with him and say if he didn’t clear the garage we would do it for him (don’t want to get off an a bad foot with the neighbours but he was taking the piss).

Anyway we have never checked out the allotment before now (it’s not far about a 10 min walk from here) just because of time constraints and illnesses and crappy weather but decided to finally today go and find it as the sun is shining here.

Anyway, when we got there we looked on the sheet of paper we’d been given and found the plot - and a person sitting next to a full and lush patch sitting on a chair having a cuppa! There is also a shed full of tools coffee cups newspapers etc in it too . We asked the person if we’d got it wrong as we are new owners of number 8 on X Street and thought this was our new allotment.

Apparently she is our neighbour down the road (never yet met her) and yes whilst it is the allotment belonging to number 8, the previous owner (a “very dear friend” of hers apparently) let her use it, she’s been using it for 10 years.

My DH, still stinging from the garage debacle, said well I’m afraid your very dear friend doesn’t live in no 8 any more we do and we are reclaiming the allotment, thank you for looking after it but it is OURS to enjoy.

She bloody said no! And that she’s cultivated this patch for several years, she grows all her veggies here and it’s her sanctuary so if we want it we will ‘have to fight for it’! She also said she paid for the shed.

DH said that’s fine, expect a fight then, and we shuffled away in shock. I then rang the old owner and she said “Oh yes it’s Barbara’s plot really she was good to take it off my hands and it would be awful to take it off her”. To be clear - the plot has NOT been sold to Barbara.

I just can’t believe the piss takery of this. DH thinks we should just go and take down the shed, leave it at her front door and dig up everything and chuck it all in a bin.

I feel like the neighbours just took the piss out of the old owner and think they genuinely have a claim to the stuff she was kind enough to let them borrow.

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Annielou67 · 11/04/2024 22:16

You have a right to your land and I’m sure your solicitor will look into this for you and it will be resolved. I do have a word of caution. Barbara might have allotment friends who might be on her side if you are heavy handed. Not only might your name be mud, but they could quietly see to it that everything on your plot withers and dies. You don’t want to be the bad guys here.

MonsteraMama · 11/04/2024 22:16

ruthgordon123 · 11/04/2024 21:08

If it's such a palaver, let the woman help you with it. She'll probs help you do your house keeping. She can tend to her tomatoes and look after your kids sometimes even if its just for an hour. If you both work and have kids she may become be a really good friend. Even if you help an elderly person to put the bins out it means a lot. She can help you with the veg when you're at work

This is a joke right? You're joking? Please tell me you're joking?

bombastix · 11/04/2024 22:16

Compassion is a mistake. She will take it for weakness. Just do it absolutely clinically as if you were doing the weeding. She is in the wrong place, and must be removed.

If she has mental health concerns then the above is equally valid. You will do both her and you no favours by getting personal. The very worst she can do is say you are cold and unfeeling regarding her shed etc. Give little energy. Barbara is one of those energy vampires in all likelihood so don't give her the fight she wants.

PamPamPamPam · 11/04/2024 22:16

@Vive42 what difference would hearing Barbara's side of the story make? The land still belongs to the OP. It was sold to the OP. This is not a case of Barbara cutting in front of the OP in a queue or taking the last rolo. She is refusing to get off another person's land! There is no nuance here. No need to hear sides. No need to placate. You do not try and compromise with a thief.

Dabralor · 11/04/2024 22:16

So much anger here.
Ok, so the garage and the allotment is yours- what a lovely bonus and hooray for you. Why not just politely stand your ground and negotiate - give Barbara to the end of the growing season to transplant her crops elsewhere and then, in return for being co-operative, she might teach you how everything works there. You'd hopefully end up with a supportive and friendly neighbour who helps you to get started.

All this talk of suing and legal action - you'll have Barbara and all her mates hating you, and also the garage dude and all his people. And if you take over the allotment with no idea how to tend it and it looks crap, everyone will laugh at you and talk about it on the street WhatsApp group.

It's a long game this - you don't want to be the new neighbour the community hates on and talks about.

YaMuvva · 11/04/2024 22:17

Chewbacalava · 11/04/2024 20:43

You brought a house without opening the garage ? Or even viewing the allotment ?

I feel sorry for the allotment person tbh.

What a weird thing to say!

If I DID open the garage I’d have seen a load of boxes - why would I have ever assumed they were anyone but the homeowners and how would I know they’d still be there on moving day?!

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PamPamPamPam · 11/04/2024 22:19

Dabralor · 11/04/2024 22:16

So much anger here.
Ok, so the garage and the allotment is yours- what a lovely bonus and hooray for you. Why not just politely stand your ground and negotiate - give Barbara to the end of the growing season to transplant her crops elsewhere and then, in return for being co-operative, she might teach you how everything works there. You'd hopefully end up with a supportive and friendly neighbour who helps you to get started.

All this talk of suing and legal action - you'll have Barbara and all her mates hating you, and also the garage dude and all his people. And if you take over the allotment with no idea how to tend it and it looks crap, everyone will laugh at you and talk about it on the street WhatsApp group.

It's a long game this - you don't want to be the new neighbour the community hates on and talks about.

Oh no! The thief and the cheeky fuckers will be mean on their WhatsApp group-the horror!

I'd rather be hated by idiots than be a mug.

Mamanyt · 11/04/2024 22:20

Gemstonebeach · 11/04/2024 12:03

Ugh old owner I mean

Next time MN updates its programs, we really need an "EDIT" button!

BuddhaAtSea · 11/04/2024 22:20

Oh god! The sense of entitlement!!!! I wouldn’t tread carefully, those people knew she’s selling the house, they just thought if they ignore you, you won’t get confrontational and maintain the status quo. Hm. No.

Infectiousdisease · 11/04/2024 22:21

YaMuvva · 11/04/2024 22:15

Maybe just maybe she’s happy, fulfilled and is just a grabby bugger.

But I KNOW my DH would benefit from an allotment.

OP you don't have to justify your DH's mental health on here to the nutters who thinks Barbara's mental health trumps his. Get her off and get him in.

Dabralor · 11/04/2024 22:21

@Chewbacalava I also feel a bit sorry for them. Is it Barbara? Or was that the vendor? Past caring now, but it wasn't allotment woman's choice to sell the house - she was given that land by a friend in good faith and probably thought, well, I'll hang on to it until I'm told I can't. It's not her fault the vendor was so crap at conveyancing.

godmum56 · 11/04/2024 22:21

YaMuvva · 11/04/2024 22:15

Maybe just maybe she’s happy, fulfilled and is just a grabby bugger.

But I KNOW my DH would benefit from an allotment.

OP ignore the judgey pearl clutchers. @bombastix has given you excellent advice on how to handle her and yes as @BettyBardMacDonald says, its would be a good idea to record any face to face interraction on your phone. I was given this advice by the police after my own particular CF turned up at my door to yell at me. Tell her you are recording, that alone might make her rethink her behaviour. I hope you get a swift and successful outcome and thank you for sharing....it was entertaining :)

bombastix · 11/04/2024 22:22

Come on Barbara made her personality clear from the outset. The community WhatsApp is already humming with half of them think Barbara is a right arse and the other half declaring she's hard done by and declaring she should sue the OP for that land.

Cagt · 11/04/2024 22:22

Some people on this thread are INSANE. BAT SHIT INSANE.

She's bought the house with this land. It's her fucking land!

If you bought a house and came home to someone having a BBQ in your back garden because 'the previous owner let them all the time' would you say ' throw us a burger on' or GTFO of my garden!? I know which it would be!

It's her plot. She wants to use it.

Fuck Barbara!

Damnloginpopup · 11/04/2024 22:22

Fucking Barbara. I bought a house off fucking Barbara. Back and forth to the fucking tip, smashing Barbara shit up and dumping it.

Fucking Barbara.

Gingernaut · 11/04/2024 22:22

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/adverse-possession-of-registered-land/practice-guide-4-adverse-possession-of-registered-land

The land was included in the title deeds

The seller never gave up possession of the land

The woman working the land had a simple verbal agreement with the land owner that she'd work the land to prevent dereliction

This verbal agreement is now not worth the paper it's not written on, now that new owners have laid claim to it, by buying the house, along with a garage and this allotment

The OP needs proper legal advice, tbh

Practice guide 4: adverse possession of registered land

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/adverse-possession-of-registered-land/practice-guide-4-adverse-possession-of-registered-land

godmum56 · 11/04/2024 22:23

Dabralor · 11/04/2024 22:21

@Chewbacalava I also feel a bit sorry for them. Is it Barbara? Or was that the vendor? Past caring now, but it wasn't allotment woman's choice to sell the house - she was given that land by a friend in good faith and probably thought, well, I'll hang on to it until I'm told I can't. It's not her fault the vendor was so crap at conveyancing.

but she wasn't given it....she herself said that the previous owner had allowed her to use it...NOT given it.

Theimpossiblegirl · 11/04/2024 22:24

It's taken 3 months for them to go and look at it though...

godmum56 · 11/04/2024 22:25

Theimpossiblegirl · 11/04/2024 22:24

It's taken 3 months for them to go and look at it though...

and?????

WarshipRocinante · 11/04/2024 22:26

Theimpossiblegirl · 11/04/2024 22:24

It's taken 3 months for them to go and look at it though...

Because we’ve just come out of winter? And her husband was ill. They waited until spring and why not? It’s theirs.

littlemousebigcheese · 11/04/2024 22:26

It's yours, sorry Barbara but jog on

Dabralor · 11/04/2024 22:26

PamPamPamPam · 11/04/2024 22:19

Oh no! The thief and the cheeky fuckers will be mean on their WhatsApp group-the horror!

I'd rather be hated by idiots than be a mug.

That's easy to say but in reality, if your neighbours are all nutters who you've got off on the back foot with, they might make life hard in other ways. Like, refusing you planning permission of you want to extend, damaging the lnd/garage or being otherwise really antisocial.
I live in a village and people really are that petty. If allotment woman and garage bloke are as cheeky as they've been so far, I just think you need to tread very carefully.
Don't give in, just, be careful and not get angry or hot-headed.

godmum56 · 11/04/2024 22:29

Dabralor · 11/04/2024 22:26

That's easy to say but in reality, if your neighbours are all nutters who you've got off on the back foot with, they might make life hard in other ways. Like, refusing you planning permission of you want to extend, damaging the lnd/garage or being otherwise really antisocial.
I live in a village and people really are that petty. If allotment woman and garage bloke are as cheeky as they've been so far, I just think you need to tread very carefully.
Don't give in, just, be careful and not get angry or hot-headed.

they may also find, as I did, that the community, or a good proportion of it are fed up of their CFery but were too scared to do anything about it. CFers rarely keep their CFery to one circumstance.

Anonymous2025 · 11/04/2024 22:29

Personally I would go to the plot remove the shed , cultivate everything and put new fence and lock . It’s your plot , she can get her own if she wants too . Do it all in a day so she has no time to do anything . If you find her doing the same then call the police as she will be trespassing and damaging private property

bombastix · 11/04/2024 22:29

There is not evidence that the neighbours are all nutters. OP should quietly but effectively reclaim what is hers.

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