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My God this story about the class photograph is appalling!

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Needsomebloodyperspective · 29/03/2024 07:19

Link here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce5epgp2zdno

Parents given the option to have disabled children removed from their photograph.

Who on Gods green earth thought that was a good idea?!

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crumblingschools · 29/03/2024 17:20

@IdaGlossop I suppose in many circumstances it won’t be obvious why some children are in a photo and others aren’t, if more than one choice is given.

So the photographer was given one group of children to photograph and then other children were brought in to be photographed with the initial group. So that would explain the 2 versions.

The detailed requirements of the school would very likely not be discussed with Tempest but with the individual photographer.

Ellie56 · 29/03/2024 17:20

whitebreadjamsandwich · 29/03/2024 13:15

Thoughts...

Tempest have had the market for school photos for years, so they will be shitting themselves.

IdaGlossop · 29/03/2024 17:33

crumblingschools · 29/03/2024 17:20

@IdaGlossop I suppose in many circumstances it won’t be obvious why some children are in a photo and others aren’t, if more than one choice is given.

So the photographer was given one group of children to photograph and then other children were brought in to be photographed with the initial group. So that would explain the 2 versions.

The detailed requirements of the school would very likely not be discussed with Tempest but with the individual photographer.

@crumblingschools you're right about differences between shots perhaps not being obvious. Whatever the sequence of events in this case, Tempest are in trouble as this has happened on their watch. What a nightmare for the PR person/team.

Nanny0gg · 29/03/2024 17:36

Trulyme · 29/03/2024 12:37

We did similar in my previous school.

There was a separate ARB for children with complex needs and then the mainstream school had separate classes.

The ARB and mainstream classes rarely integrated (especially since covid), so each class would have the photos taken and then there would be a photo of everyone together.

The ARB would also have their own photos and a photo with mainstream and they were also given the choice of whether to buy the photo with the mainstream children in.

School photos are expensive and many parents will want to buy just the photo of their child’s class, rather than one with pupils from other classes in.
The parents aren’t wrong for wanting to do this.

I do not think the school is being ableist here, in fact I think they’ve tried to be inclusive but it’s backfired.

Of course if these children are usually part of the class then it’s disgusting behaviour but the article does hint at the children being in separate classes.

Then don't tell a child with very thick lenses in her glasses (which she can't see without) to take them off so she can be 'pretty' for her mummy

Nanny0gg · 29/03/2024 17:37

whitebreadjamsandwich · 29/03/2024 13:15

Thoughts...

And they don't let you reply...

Ellie56 · 29/03/2024 17:38

How many more discriminatory incidents are going to come out?

Starseeking · 29/03/2024 17:44

It's outrageous.

If you read the BBC story, it says they actually brought the DC with additional needs into the same group to take pictures after^^ the others had first taken a picture, so it's clear it was a deliberate attempt to exclude them.

Shane they forgot that the link to purchase pictures would also go to the parents of DC with additional needs 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

HurdyGurdy19 · 29/03/2024 17:49

Well, they've made their groveling apology
Firm apologises after parents offered school photo with no complex-needs pupils (inews.co.uk)

But I don't think they need to have any concerns about being "committed to implementing meaningful changes to prevent such an occurrence in the future", as I think they've just had their Gerald Ratner moment, and won't be taking (m)any more school photographs.

Now is probably a really good time for enterprising photographers to set up a school photography service, as there's likely to (rightly) be a massive gap in the market now.

Firm apologises after parents offered school photo with no complex needs pupils

Tempest Photography sent a link to parents at an Aberdeenshire school with the option of removing children with additional support needs

https://inews.co.uk/news/firm-apologises-parents-offered-school-photo-no-complex-needs-pupils-2982397?ico=most_popular

Therealmetherealme · 29/03/2024 17:53

Like probably many parents of a child with additional needs, I don't even have the energy to read this full thread. It's not surprising and won't be an exception.

MyMotherThouArt · 29/03/2024 18:08

saraclara · 29/03/2024 09:32

Ofsted would not mark you down for the behaviour of a student that they have been informed has a special need. Or at least only if it's not managed well. They will make their judgement based on how any behaviour that they see from them those students is handled.

I and my school management team were as anxious about Ofsted as anyone else. But let's at least be transparent about what is happening and how they judge. I've had extremely difficult behaviour to manage while being observed (including being punched) yet still had positive feedback.

They know there are complex pupils/students. They just want to see that there are plans and strategies in place to manage them.

Yep- the schools don’t want ofsted to see how badly supported the disabled children are, and the effect that has on them and all the other children.

MyMotherThouArt · 29/03/2024 18:15

cerisepanther73 · 29/03/2024 07:53

@vanillawaffle

Whats wrong with school photo of potentially blurry movement then?

A school photo needs to be look a certain generic standard way,

not an experimental artistically expression of photography L.o.l 😆

A school photo needs to be look a certain generic standard way,

No it doesn’t.

MyMotherThouArt · 29/03/2024 18:23

@Justrolledmyeyesoutloud your posting that…

We knew she wouldn't cope with the change of schedule

…then-
**
You will be pleased to hear she stayed all day and coped with it

demonstrates nicely how much teachers often think they ‘know’ about disabled pupils, and how much they actually know.

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 29/03/2024 18:40

MyMotherThouArt · 29/03/2024 18:23

@Justrolledmyeyesoutloud your posting that…

We knew she wouldn't cope with the change of schedule

…then-
**
You will be pleased to hear she stayed all day and coped with it

demonstrates nicely how much teachers often think they ‘know’ about disabled pupils, and how much they actually know.

Also demonstrates how she had an option to go home if not. Choices!

MyMotherThouArt · 29/03/2024 19:12

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 29/03/2024 18:40

Also demonstrates how she had an option to go home if not. Choices!

Really not the point (and anyway you always have a choice to not send your kid to school or collect them early- it’s a school not a prison camp).

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 29/03/2024 19:22

MyMotherThouArt · 29/03/2024 19:12

Really not the point (and anyway you always have a choice to not send your kid to school or collect them early- it’s a school not a prison camp).

It absolutely is the point.
This child was violent and aggressive when triggered and a change in routine was a huge trigger for her.
As l said before, her care plan said to avoid any triggers where possible.
Hmm school isn't really optional is it?!

MyMotherThouArt · 29/03/2024 19:26

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 29/03/2024 19:22

It absolutely is the point.
This child was violent and aggressive when triggered and a change in routine was a huge trigger for her.
As l said before, her care plan said to avoid any triggers where possible.
Hmm school isn't really optional is it?!

Yep, it is- as everyone knows. Home education is legal.

What isn’t legal is a school not providing the education they are contracted to provide- they can’t just decide not to have disabled students when they think they will be inconvenient.

Editing disabled children out of photos at school is just a solid example of the general attitude in society that disabled people are disposable.

The point of my post was that schools claim to know xyz (like you knew she wouldn’t cope), but actually they are entirely wrong (demonstrated in your case by the child coping perfectly well).

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 29/03/2024 19:29

MyMotherThouArt · 29/03/2024 19:26

Yep, it is- as everyone knows. Home education is legal.

What isn’t legal is a school not providing the education they are contracted to provide- they can’t just decide not to have disabled students when they think they will be inconvenient.

Editing disabled children out of photos at school is just a solid example of the general attitude in society that disabled people are disposable.

The point of my post was that schools claim to know xyz (like you knew she wouldn’t cope), but actually they are entirely wrong (demonstrated in your case by the child coping perfectly well).

Edited

Since when? Unless you homeschool?

MyMotherThouArt · 29/03/2024 19:35

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 29/03/2024 19:29

Since when? Unless you homeschool?

I’ll repost it for you-

Yep, it is- as everyone knows. Home education is legal.
**
What isn’t legal is a school not providing the education they are contracted to provide- they can’t just decide not to have disabled students when they think they will be inconvenient.
**
Editing disabled children out of photos at school is just a solid example of the general attitude in society that disabled people are disposable.
**
The point of my post was that schools claim to know xyz (like you knew she wouldn’t cope), but actually they are entirely wrong (demonstrated in your case by the child coping perfectly well).

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 29/03/2024 19:35

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 29/03/2024 19:29

Since when? Unless you homeschool?

Sorry comment added to wrong post. It is hard to educate someone when they are lobbing chairs across a room and swearing at you but we never give up on her so do our very bedt for her and her family.

Gettingonmygoat · 29/03/2024 19:44

Needsomebloodyperspective · 29/03/2024 07:31

My daughter has autism and was asked to not come in the day of the ofsted visit.

Unfortunately that is pretty standard. As is winding up a child with ADHD/autism when a specialist is coming in to asses them.

cerisepanther73 · 29/03/2024 20:20

Totally agree with your good post @Justrolledmyeyesoutloud

Yes
"It is very hard to educate if you have a pupil disrupting the class lobbing a chair and swearing 🤬 or doing some other kind of drama."
@MyMotherThouArt

MyMotherThouArt · 29/03/2024 20:27

cerisepanther73 · 29/03/2024 20:20

Totally agree with your good post @Justrolledmyeyesoutloud

Yes
"It is very hard to educate if you have a pupil disrupting the class lobbing a chair and swearing 🤬 or doing some other kind of drama."
@MyMotherThouArt

So… send them home when ofsted come in, and airbrush them out of photos, why not. They are hard work after all. Bloody disabled people, expecting to be included in society. We should watch our entitlement.

RainbowZebraWarrior · 29/03/2024 21:07

SerendipityJane · 29/03/2024 20:55

Saw this story and it made me think of this thread

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68692977

I was literally just going to post the same thing.

The world is becoming smaller and smaller (and increasingly more difficult and inaccessible) for disabled people.

Im Autistic, DD is Autistic, and my (late) sister had Downs Syndrome. The attitudes in the 1970s were appalling. I hoped we had left those days behind, but It's not much better, now tbh.