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karriecreamer · 18/03/2024 06:36

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/03/2024 21:30

Whoever is at the top is irrelevant.

I disagree. The government is responsible for the welfare and direction of the nation.

If they are incompetent or corrupt, it has a huge impact on the population. If they flout laws within hours of passing them, they break the Social Contract. If they gamble the national economy for party and or personal gain, they can ruin the future of the country. They have say over legal rights of their citizens.

Those at the top are not irrelevant, they're really fucking important.

But they're just puppets for the people behind the scenes who have the real power.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/03/2024 10:51

What people behind the scenes?

PontiacFirebird · 18/03/2024 10:54

lurchersforever · 17/03/2024 10:19

If they feel Rishi Sunak cannot govern (and it's clear that he cannot) then a general election needs to be called. There is, or should be, no other option at this point.

This!!!

newnamethanks · 18/03/2024 10:57

People like Frank Hester who can give away £15m plus. Do you think he's without influence? Listen to Badenoch who's been wheeled out today having had her opinions 'corrected' over the weekend. There are plenty of Franks under the radar.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/03/2024 14:22

I don't think Hester has any influence over policy. He pays the Tories £15 million, they pay him £100s millions from the public purse for shoddy systems.

Although I'm sure the disgusting racist was gratified to see Badinoch excusing his revolting racism and misogyny all over the television.🤮🤮🤮

newnamethanks · 18/03/2024 15:00

I'm going to disagree about influence. Although there's a clear quid pro quo regarding contracts, that kind of money isn't thrown around simply for the cash back. There's a peerage in the offing - may have to wait a while now - and I'm fairly sure that if Rishi suddenly came over all philanthropic - percentage pay rises for qlow paid to equal those of MPs, for instance - words would be had and bags packed. Promptly.

KnittedCardi · 18/03/2024 15:24

Frank Hester is a worm. However, please stop this inaccurate portrayal of how most contracts are awarded. It's nonsense and not true. GP systems are awarded by GP's. Hospital contracts are awarded by hospitals. Health board contracts are awarded by health boards.

newnamethanks · 18/03/2024 15:29

Yes. Completely impartial quangos. Anyone heard how Baroness Mone's doing?

fleurneige · 18/03/2024 15:32

lurchersforever · 17/03/2024 10:01

If they think they can inflict yet another unelected PM on us they can just fuck off to hell. And yes, I know how our system works and that we don't elect PMs as such, but 4 leaders in 5 years would be taking the piss massively and is unprecedented and not acceptable. And the fact that holding a sword for quite a long time is her biggest achievement just makes it even worse.

Perfectly said.

Democracy they call it :(

Hoppinggreen · 18/03/2024 15:32

Yes but she carried a really heavy sword at The Coronation and her dress was nice so obviously she would make a great PM and be able to save The Tories from Decimation.
To be fair I dont think shes as vile as some other Tories but its a low bar and wouldnt make me vote for them

fleurneige · 18/03/2024 15:34

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/03/2024 10:51

What people behind the scenes?

Really? You have no idea?

The ERG first, within. And those who give the donations and have dirty money swirling all over the City who made sure Brexit happened so the EU couldn't stop them.

SerendipityJane · 18/03/2024 16:53

The government is responsible for the welfare and direction of the nation.

Are they ? Even if they believed that themselves (and they don't). then by their actions they most clearly are not.

determinedtomakethiswork · 18/03/2024 17:03

Look, Penny, no matter how many times you suggest it on here, we don't want you as PM.

karriecreamer · 18/03/2024 17:10

KnittedCardi · 18/03/2024 15:24

Frank Hester is a worm. However, please stop this inaccurate portrayal of how most contracts are awarded. It's nonsense and not true. GP systems are awarded by GP's. Hospital contracts are awarded by hospitals. Health board contracts are awarded by health boards.

Yes, in theory, but usually the contract specifications are geared so that a limited number (sometimes only one) of options is available for them to select from. So basically fudged to prevent "unapproved" contractors from being successful.

I remember it happening from my short time as a school governor. We had a long special meeting one evening to discuss procurement of a specific thing, spent ages going through tech specs etc., and at the end of the evening, we voted. Unfortunately, we voted for the "wrong" one and were only then told that our favoured contractor wasn't valid because they couldn't do a specific thing that was part of the tender documents. It then transpired there was only one option which did comply, so we had no choice but to choose that one instead. What a waste of an evening! The thing was that the specific item specified was pretty irrelevant and insignificant, so we always wondered whether it was incorporated in the tender documents on purpose to ensure the "preferred" bidder won the contract!

Severalwhippets · 18/03/2024 17:18

determinedtomakethiswork · 18/03/2024 17:03

Look, Penny, no matter how many times you suggest it on here, we don't want you as PM.

Look determined don’t speak for all of us, I love the woman, think she would make a great PM and at this point what do we have to lose 🤷🏼‍♀️

SerendipityJane · 18/03/2024 17:20

karriecreamer · 18/03/2024 17:10

Yes, in theory, but usually the contract specifications are geared so that a limited number (sometimes only one) of options is available for them to select from. So basically fudged to prevent "unapproved" contractors from being successful.

I remember it happening from my short time as a school governor. We had a long special meeting one evening to discuss procurement of a specific thing, spent ages going through tech specs etc., and at the end of the evening, we voted. Unfortunately, we voted for the "wrong" one and were only then told that our favoured contractor wasn't valid because they couldn't do a specific thing that was part of the tender documents. It then transpired there was only one option which did comply, so we had no choice but to choose that one instead. What a waste of an evening! The thing was that the specific item specified was pretty irrelevant and insignificant, so we always wondered whether it was incorporated in the tender documents on purpose to ensure the "preferred" bidder won the contract!

A lot of big tech firms won't waste time tendering for HMG contracts, as they know the award is a done deal.

There was the rather surreal time a few years back where HMRC had to pay a couple of IT companies to submit a losing tender to comply with EU competition laws, as it was bleeding obvious Fujitsu were (re)getting the gig.

If you wanted to save a few hundred billions without really trying (if I thought it would be worth it, I'd write the book) you could start with insisting all and any government IT tender does not involve proprietary code or systems.

Noicant · 18/03/2024 17:26

No she was very TWAW and then bare faced lied about it. They all lie but she was utterly brazen.

maudelovesharold · 18/03/2024 17:26

holding a sword for quite a long time is her biggest achievement

That’s probably enough for most people. Look where dangling from a zip-wire got Boris.

newnamethanks · 18/03/2024 17:34

And she's got lovely blonde hair like Boris. Destiny calls.

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/03/2024 18:31

Mordaunt taking over before the GE is the only way she'll ever be Prime Minister so maybe she should contemplate it.🤔

ilovesooty · 18/03/2024 19:25

I don't want to see the Conservatives in power at all but I think Mordaunt is less loathsome than some of the alternatives. I'd rather see her as leader of the party than Badenoch, Braverman or any of the other people suggested. Having said that I don't think they should foist another unelected PM on the country and I can't imagine why she would do it except for financial gain.

It would be interesting to see the response from the "at least the Conservatives know what a woman is" brigade though.

SerendipityJane · 18/03/2024 19:34

It would be interesting to see the response from the "at least the Conservatives know what a woman is" brigade though.

"But Jeremy Corbyn ..."
"Keirs beer ..."
"Angela Rayners house ..."
"Look ! A squirrel. A foreign squirrel most likely ..."

Viviennemary · 18/03/2024 19:36

Not keen. She is a bit too full of herself for my liking. Too bossy as well. No thanks.

ilovesooty · 18/03/2024 22:35

SerendipityJane · 18/03/2024 19:34

It would be interesting to see the response from the "at least the Conservatives know what a woman is" brigade though.

"But Jeremy Corbyn ..."
"Keirs beer ..."
"Angela Rayners house ..."
"Look ! A squirrel. A foreign squirrel most likely ..."

Probably, 🤣

Hoppinggreen · 19/03/2024 08:53

Viviennemary · 18/03/2024 19:36

Not keen. She is a bit too full of herself for my liking. Too bossy as well. No thanks.

I dont like her but I have to say that I have never heard a male politician called "bossy"

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