Sunak to make an announcement in Downing Street at 17.40

[Westfacing]

Beth Rigby of Sky News says they've been reliably informed it's not going to be about a General Election, so what will it be?

That's useless. It talks about "genders". So fuck knows what it's telling us.

Come back with a proper scientific report. Or you may as well make shit up. And we can all play that game.

But white males are still the group that does the most killings .

https://aoav.org.uk/2024/londons-2023-murders-examined-key-figures-in-the-uk-capitals-homicides/

No "report" that uses gender when it should use sex can be trusted.

For all we know the offenders and victims self identified as white. Or black. Or green.

Hapoy to look at alternative source if you want to provide one.

Note to self. Remember only to post 'proper scientific reports' on this opinion forum or be accused of making shit up and playing games.

I'd no intention of playing games. Just trying to find some information to add to the comments with no information about murder numbers.

You're going to dismiss a lot of reports if the word gender makes you switch off.

I'm talking about them. You prefer to ignore them because they represent an inconvenient truth...
The distraction is yours - it's not remotely about resentment over Muslim women in the West succeeding, it's about your habitual determination to ignore the massive elephant in the room (ie the millions of severely oppressed Muslim women you arrogantly and shamefully dismiss as a 'distraction').

Islam in other countries is entirely relevant because, as I said, religion is a primary influencer of culture. Thus it's entirely correct and valid to remind you that the rights and freedoms of Muslim women in the UK are the exception to the norm; they're in spite of Islam, not because of it.

Well said.

That's generally the way it works isn't it ? Someone makes an assertion, and it's up to them to back it up, not the reader to just accept it. Although too many do.

You're going to dismiss a lot of reports if the word gender makes you switch off.

As indeed we all should ....

Some people are so angry about a single issue that they become blinkered to all else.

What are the type of killings that take place?

103 murders in 2023

I guess a lot of them are stabbings.

There were "only" 600 murders nationally in 2022 - and I would suspect that the type of murder (as in gang violence - stabbings) is different in London compared as a whole to the rest of the country.

Which is why both things can be true - but how you interpret them and what the underlying data shows can be complex - and no doubt influenced by people's biases.

Murder rates per million population are still very low.

Why is it Khans London? are you Lee Anderson? he is the Mayor, not the Met Commissioner.

The overall murder rate in London is falling, its far lower than that in 1990 or 2000 or 2015.

Per capita, historic lows.

Thus it's entirely correct and valid to remind you that the rights and freedoms of Muslim women in the UK are the exceptionto the norm; they'rein spite ofIslam, notbecause of it.

But doesn't that apply to the rights and freedoms of all women in the UK, not just Muslim women? Do you compare the rights and freedoms of Christian women in the UK to those in certain Latin American countries where they can be sent to prison for having an abortion or even a still birth?

I think I like this speech more than Sunak's

Why is it Khans London?

People who say Khan's London are telling us something about themselves without telling us.

Absolutely. All of the major religions are underpinned by oppression (women, in the main).
It'd be awful of me to dismiss/say I didn't care about those women (that they're not relevant) in America simply because they happen to live in a different country/culture; the rights and freedoms women have in the UK weren't hard won with that sort of outlook.

I would argue that culture oppresses women. Not all religions. I say that a practicing Muslim. I would also argue that all women are oppressed to a certain extent and it has nothing to do with religion.

I wish people would actually ask those who practice religion how they feel. And identify where it is a cultural issue or a religious issue.

I spotted his face on Sky News last night but quickly changed channel. Apathy abounds!

It was a word salad with no real point and no real action other than an implied threat to our right to protest.

He’s a weak man trying to look strong and some of you will believe that he is strong.

If he wants my respect he grips the Tory party by the throat sacks braverman, Patel, Gullis, Anderson and all the other dog whistlers and steers the Tory party back to where it should be. Centre right not UKIP lite.

He’s going to get destroyed in the next general election and it’s going to take the next government two terms to get us back to where we should be and that will be just in time for us to re-enter the EU.

It’s not just his fault. The constant tax cuts for billionaires and austerity for the poor goes against conventional economic wisdom whereby austerity should be applied lightly and for as short a possible time as possible as it takes money out of the economy. No more than 3 years is the suggestion and while it’s in place, you invest the money saved in infrastructure or economic development policies.

Unfortunately in a government in thrall to think tanks funded secretly by billionaires. Tax cuts and deregulation will be the order of the day. Swim in sewage anyone?

Absolutely this. Religion heavily influences culture in every country on the planet. The progression of women’s rights in many places are so terrible because of religious influence- just look at the US with its hideously backwards actions on abortion- legislated because of the religious right. On the whole Muslim women in the UK have the same opportunities equal to those of Christian or Jewish women, that’s broadly speaking without digging deeper into whether or not such opportunities are taken depending on family influence and circumstances.

@Containerhome the most misogynistic Prime Minister of recent times is the only one to be in practice someone of no religion.

I agree @LlynTegid better have someone who isn't of any religion. Then there is no backlash. No comparisons. No group favoured etc.

You don't need to be asked though; you've given your thoughts here without.

I tend to avoid discussions about religion, because it's all based on belief, and sometimes (often tbf) people think their religious belief should trump another's personal belief. There is also always the tendency (bias) that their religion is the 'true' one.

We can see plenty of real world examples whereupon religion is, and has been, a primary influencer of culture. I think it can be a handy cop out to excuse unsavoury elements as 'just cultural' and nothing to do with religion.

I agree with the point made by @travellinglighter , the UK I know and I live in is massively centre minded, not a trace of extremes at all, and know perfectly well what democracy is. It is also a happily multi- cultural society. The government should reflect that, instead of these extremes they welcome amongst them (Braverman and Co, and others) and then give the country a lesson in democracy, tolerance and some other vague concepts.
Why don't they look in the mirror and behave themselves? Just this week we had Sunak and Starmer calling each other names during PMQs ( your party is a-your party is b). Instead of discussing how they are going to sort the many many problems we, the simple tax payer, are facing.