Sunak to make an announcement in Downing Street at 17.40

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Beth Rigby of Sky News says they've been reliably informed it's not going to be about a General Election, so what will it be?

Of course, sorry did I say differently or something?
No, no I didn’t. I simply pointed out that the poster I was quoting experience was the exception, rather than the norm.

How do you think Sunak became an MP?

Did Sunak announce he was going to do something in this area yesterday or does it remain more important to him that those like him who have more money than any could need in a lifteime continue to accumulate more and pay a smaller proportion of their income in tax than most people?

Sad that the concept is so unthinkable for you.

It’s not ‘unthinkable’. It’s just that it’s hard to access wealthy and privileged circles when you you are neither.

Sad that’s it’s apparently so difficult for you to understand this.

Why have you gone off on a tangent about accessing wealth when my post was in a response to a poster accusing minorities of sneering at ‘western culture’?

A tangent? No, you’re confused, I was responding to this post:

”The Muslim women CEOs and doctors and bankers I know would laugh in your face.”

Then when I pointed out that not everyone moves in those circles, you sneered at me:

“Sad that the concept is so unthinkable for you.”

Yes, it’s a tangent because I was responding to a poster generalising that Muslim women are horrifically oppressed.

So your tangent on not moving in those circles is redundant.

Lots of (usually white people) would frequently tell my mother and two aunts this, who were always rather amused and it seems only white people seem to be the ones who ever come across this niche group of immigrants.

The tories have an abysmal record, i'm not disputing that. My point is that anyone who thinks they're going to be better off under labour is going to be severely disappointed. Labour arent even marketing themselves as a positive alternative (because they know the NHS isn't fixable. They know they can't generate finance to improve services. They know their core votership won't afford them the necessary allowance to address immigration and the economy). Their campaign isn't based (on any level) on what they are, it's based entirely on what they're not.

I'm in Scotland, that type of governance has been our reality for some time now. The SNP sit further left than labour, and their modus operandi is 'at least we're not the tories'. The reality however is that, on proper scrutiny, their record is no better (indeed it's arguably far worse).
I think a significant part of the issue is that it's nigh on impossible for a left wing party to move a bit to the right/centre (even when circumstances require) and retain their core votership.

Are you saying that Honour Killings of young women don't happen in the UK? Or that they do but they just happen weirdly spontaneously with no link at all to their family's cultural roots?

You don't need to be a social worker to know that they happen and why.

Honour killings are horrific but thankfully rare.

The vast majority of killers are white males.

The majority of honour killings in the UK are by white men against white women. Weirdly its apparently okay when white men do it.

amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/31/honour-based-offences-soared-by-81-in-last-five-years

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I live in Tower Hamlets and the 'no-go area' shite that a Tory MP spouted last week is bollocks. As us a PPs similar claim that white ppl can't go out in London for fear of being thought Jewish(!) The idea that Sadiq has given the capital to 'Islamists' is another pile of steaming horse shit.

If you believe these conspiracies you need to check yourself. The greatest divide in London is between rich and poor and that's the one the Tories don't want you to think about as you cast your vote because it has exploded under their deliberate economic policies.

Judging by some of the comments in this thread, I should probably stay home for the next week, as a Muslim woman.

BTW I'm not opressed. I'm a successful business owner alongside my husband. Not all Muslim women are opressed. We are neither upper class or run in wealthy circles either. Nor are any of my friends who are Muslim either. I'm not saying there aren't Muslim women who are oppressed, there are. There are many non Muslim women who are also oppressed. Its on mumsnet threads all the time.

Oppression isn't unique to Muslim women. But I would say it is mainly on women in general compared to men.

The female CEO's, bankers and doctors you refer to are living in the west. I'm sure you won't pretend those opportunities are commensurately afforded to women in middle eastern countries? Because that would be a lie.
Your own personal experience (whilst not pretending that the west is perfect; it is blatantly not) demonstrates the benefits of greater rights and freedoms for women in western culture?

The Tory party have thrived on stoking the culture wars. The right wing media has fed it and he has the hypocrisy to say things like this:

"We are a country where we love our neighbours.

And we are building Britain together.

But I fear that our great achievement

in building the world’s most successful multi-ethnic, multi faith democracy

is being deliberately undermined.

There are forces here at home trying to tear us apart"

"When they tell their lies, we will tell the truth.

When they try and sap our confidence, we will redouble our efforts.

And when they try and make us doubt each other…

we will dig deeper for that extra ounce of compassion and empathy

that they want us to believe doesn’t exist, but that I know does.

If we can do that, we can build on our great achievement in creating today’s Britain…

a country of kind, decent, tolerant people."

I see fuck all tolerance of his party towards other people, Zero compassion and empathy.

The Tory party have fuck all tolerance. Fuck all compassion and empathy.

Hypocrite

I hope someone uses his words back on him whenever a "culture wars" issue comes up. And they come back to bite him.

''@L1ttledrummergirl

30pflee was thrown out for failing to apologise for Islamophobic comments, not for the comments themselves. Sunak, Dowden and every MP who has defended this is accepting of what he said. Braverman, Badenoch are as bad and no action has been taken against them.Liz Truss thinks that Tommy Robinson (BNP) is a hero. How dare he lecture the country about extremism. He needs to start by looking in the mirror, and then at those he stands alongside.''

Exactly this far right government has been the one creating and encouraging divisions for the past few years.

Gaslighting at its best...

Yes, I’m talking about the UK because we are all in the UK and the poster was referring to Muslim women in the UK.

Why are you whatabouting other countries?

The greatest divide in London is between rich and poor and that's the one the Tories don't want you to think about as you cast your vote because it has exploded under their deliberate economic policies.

@PictureFrameWindow I thought it was interesting that the person who came second in Rochdale was a local man, who campaigned on local issues. I wonder how Galloway is going to have any meaningful impact on the Gaza situation as MP for Rochdale ?

To be honest, I just think they do not want us to protest or make a single noise while they take all the money they can get and further ruin all the services we pay for with our taxes. Today is about the protests about what is happening to two million palestinians (not Hamas followers, the poor little civilian is in the middle of the battlefield here, children and all), tomorrow it will be about the no-services from the NHS, no education, no roads, no food, and so on.
They should be calling that election, but instead they just blame it on others. What a surprise.
One of the immediate post-brexit policy was to re-wild a portion of farms in UK. Fast forward around two years, Sunak is standing with Welsh farmers protesting against this. But it is his party's policy. It makes zero flipping sense! Also, if it does not suit your farm, it is not compulsory. It is for subsidies.
They, in reality, have no clue whatsoever about sociopolitics. None.
They just talk some bullshit about a world that exists in their heads. And then tell your average citizen that we are racist, islamophobic, anti-semitic, divided, divisive, or any other, and they come up with statements on how to protect democracy from this. Well, silencing the majority of a population is not democratic.
We should be protesting a hell of lot more. There should be massive protests weekly about the state of GPs practices, NHS, schools, roads, councils turning street lights off, police.

Hypocrite is the word.

He has happily gone along with and benefitted from the division and hate the Tory party has nutured since 2010. Now he suddenly doesn't like what he and his party have sown.

Shame, I thought Rishi was going to announce a change about bin collection day in Rochdale. But no, some rambling speech about Islamists, but to balance the tone he had to come up with guff about far-right extremism, which kind of proves he's fallen victim to the same mob he talks about.

Next time there's a terrorist attack - and there will be one - trust me your immediate thoughts are not going to be "far right extremist". Although recently I notice they get chalked off as "isolated incident" or the catch-all "mental health issues". The deaths of those 3 poor blokes in Reading couldn't get swept under the carpet fast enough.

Rishi must be thinking to himself thank god this time next year I'll be living in California away from all this nonsense.

The racism on this thread demonstrates exactly the sort of division Sunak and his party have created.