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What happened in the House of Commons tonight?

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Bookridden · 21/02/2024 21:19

I'm struggling to understand what is going on and would be grateful is someone can explain to me in simple terms.

Why were Labour worried about the safety of MPs?

Why were the SNP unhappy?

Why were the Tories unhappy?

What's likely to happen next?

Are MPs who don't take a Pro-Palestinian stance really putting their lives at risk?

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Newchapterbeckons · 23/02/2024 13:05

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 23/02/2024 13:04

No.

I don’t think there is anything that can cost them the election.

Famous last words that😂😂

justasking111 · 23/02/2024 13:07

Newchapterbeckons · 23/02/2024 13:03

It might cost Labour the election if Starmer doesn’t deal with it.

Limping on making back room deals clearly isn’t working nor is keeping a lid on his party’s anti Jewish rhetoric which is growing within the party like a cancer.

I suspect the anti Jewish rhetoric is either greatly exaggerated or some powerful people are stirring the pot

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 23/02/2024 13:07

BIossomtoes · 23/02/2024 12:54

How is saying none of the parties - including Labour - covered themselves in glory not being accountable or holding hands up? Things can be the fault of more than one person or entity. How anyone can accuse Labour of lying, deflecting and shady back room deals with a straight face in the light of the government’s behaviour for the last four years is beyond me.

This an a very odd way at looking at things.

It’s completely possible for the government to be doing backroom deals and Labour to do it as well.

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 23/02/2024 13:07

Newchapterbeckons · 23/02/2024 13:05

Famous last words that😂😂

😀

Who knows!

EasternStandard · 23/02/2024 13:08

justasking111 · 23/02/2024 13:07

I suspect the anti Jewish rhetoric is either greatly exaggerated or some powerful people are stirring the pot

Tbf the Rochdale transcript didn’t help

Labour didn’t need help there to show antisemitic conspiracy

justasking111 · 23/02/2024 13:09

In Wales Drakeford has stuck up two fingers at 450k signatures against blanket 20 mph.

This week his response to the farmers protest in N Wales was "Haven't they got something better to do?"

But we'll still get a labour majority.

EasternStandard · 23/02/2024 13:14

justasking111 · 23/02/2024 13:09

In Wales Drakeford has stuck up two fingers at 450k signatures against blanket 20 mph.

This week his response to the farmers protest in N Wales was "Haven't they got something better to do?"

But we'll still get a labour majority.

I’m afraid Wales demographics will keep Labour in no matter what, and as it declines voting won’t shift

Dogfisher · 23/02/2024 13:30

Newchapterbeckons · 23/02/2024 13:03

It might cost Labour the election if Starmer doesn’t deal with it.

Limping on making back room deals clearly isn’t working nor is keeping a lid on his party’s anti Jewish rhetoric which is growing within the party like a cancer.

Add to this the anti-woman sentiment in the party and it is not a good look.

Dogfisher · 23/02/2024 13:32

justasking111 · 23/02/2024 13:09

In Wales Drakeford has stuck up two fingers at 450k signatures against blanket 20 mph.

This week his response to the farmers protest in N Wales was "Haven't they got something better to do?"

But we'll still get a labour majority.

He is a horror.

Zonder · 23/02/2024 13:32

User135644 · 23/02/2024 12:30

Will it cost them the election?

Why would it? It's a mere scratch compared to the gaping wounds caused by the government.

Dogfisher · 23/02/2024 13:35

Zonder · 23/02/2024 13:32

Why would it? It's a mere scratch compared to the gaping wounds caused by the government.

I honestly think that there is a massive arrogance about Labour and their supporters at the moment. I predict a hung parliament at best.

Newchapterbeckons · 23/02/2024 13:55

Dogfisher · 23/02/2024 13:35

I honestly think that there is a massive arrogance about Labour and their supporters at the moment. I predict a hung parliament at best.

At best hung parliament. It’s amazing that no lessons are ever learnt about the accuracy of polls, or lack of.

Newchapterbeckons · 23/02/2024 13:57

justasking111 · 23/02/2024 13:07

I suspect the anti Jewish rhetoric is either greatly exaggerated or some powerful people are stirring the pot

I wish it was the case but anti semitism has been a long standing issue in the Labour Party for DECADES or have you conveniently rewritten history.

User135644 · 23/02/2024 14:20

I'd say the Tories deserve another chance, as there's too many questions over Labour now. Better the devil you know and come election day that might be the Consensus.

Zonder · 23/02/2024 14:31

User135644 · 23/02/2024 14:20

I'd say the Tories deserve another chance, as there's too many questions over Labour now. Better the devil you know and come election day that might be the Consensus.

That's just insane.

NamechangeForthisquestion1 · 23/02/2024 14:34

@User135644 the Tories should never get 'another chance' this election should be the end of them.

BIossomtoes · 23/02/2024 14:44

NamechangeForthisquestion1 · 23/02/2024 14:34

@User135644 the Tories should never get 'another chance' this election should be the end of them.

Absolutely. The thought of another five years of this makes me want to slit my wrists.

IClaudine · 23/02/2024 14:59

Newchapterbeckons · 23/02/2024 13:55

At best hung parliament. It’s amazing that no lessons are ever learnt about the accuracy of polls, or lack of.

Have a look at the odds bookies are offering right now. They very often call it right on GEs.

IClaudine · 23/02/2024 15:02

User135644 · 23/02/2024 14:20

I'd say the Tories deserve another chance, as there's too many questions over Labour now. Better the devil you know and come election day that might be the Consensus.

Another chance to do what? Plunder the country further and make themselves and their mates even richer? Ruin the NHS? Make everyone poorer?

Jesus, people really don't want to wake up and smell the coffee.

PerkingFaintly · 23/02/2024 15:06

NamechangeForthisquestion1 · 23/02/2024 14:34

@User135644 the Tories should never get 'another chance' this election should be the end of them.

No, I don't go for this. There always needs to be an opposition party to hold any government to account.

But it needs to be much higher quality than the parliamentary Conservative Party currently is, en masse. And it needs to have much lower tolerance of lying to the House and general incompetence than the current bunch.

There are some decent Tories left, even after the big clearouts by Johnson et al. But they're not the ones currently in charge.

BIossomtoes · 23/02/2024 15:12

There always needs to be an opposition party to hold any government to account.

Indeed but not the Tories in the current iteration. A total wipe out would do them the world of good.

pointythings · 23/02/2024 15:14

I'm going with Electoral Calculus who have correctly called 8 out of the last 9 elections, including Boris Johnson and his majority. No doubt the polls will tighten towards a GE, but meanwhile there's Wellingborough and such for the Tory wishful thinkers to consider.

Zonder · 23/02/2024 15:21

BIossomtoes · 23/02/2024 15:12

There always needs to be an opposition party to hold any government to account.

Indeed but not the Tories in the current iteration. A total wipe out would do them the world of good.

Perhaps it would mean they reset and get back to the decent Tories like Clarke and Headline, who had a sense of decency.

noblegiraffe · 23/02/2024 15:29

This thread is absolutely batshit. Sure voters are going to forget about Liz Truss destroying the economy because some obscure parliamentary rule got broken.

AdamRyan · 23/02/2024 15:42

EasternStandard · 23/02/2024 07:01

Of course the whole thing is politicking, but then, it is politics. The speaker shouldn't break with precedent in the middle of a situation;

Yep. Politicking - such as urging the speaker to break from standard procedure to avoid a 100 MP revolt

The precedent has been in place since 1979.
The advice Hoyle received said the speaker has complete discretion over the order in which members speak and complete discretion over which amendments to bring.
He did nothing wrong. Precedent is not rules.

The Conservatives and SNP have both behaved appallingly and manufactured a load of anger about nothing.

I'm more annoyed with the Conservatives as the illegal prorogation of Parliament was the ultimate in "not following precedent" and they didn't appear to care. Very hypocritical.

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