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What happened in the House of Commons tonight?

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Bookridden · 21/02/2024 21:19

I'm struggling to understand what is going on and would be grateful is someone can explain to me in simple terms.

Why were Labour worried about the safety of MPs?

Why were the SNP unhappy?

Why were the Tories unhappy?

What's likely to happen next?

Are MPs who don't take a Pro-Palestinian stance really putting their lives at risk?

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IClaudine · 22/02/2024 11:48

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 22/02/2024 11:43

Jeez. Had the Tories done this the MN branch of the Labour Party would have got this to three full threads by now.

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It was a (admittedly very unseemly) kerfuffle over the wording of an opposition day debate motion, not the illegal prorogation of Parliament.

Many people have probably never heard of an opposition day debate before this.

horseyhorsey17 · 22/02/2024 11:51

EasternStandard · 22/02/2024 11:46

Er because Hoyle is likely to lose his job over Starmer avoiding a rebellion

It’s the topic of the thread

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Hoyle isn't exactly known for doing Labour loads of favours during his time as Speaker. It doesn't seem in character for him to bow down to Starmer at all.

Even that notorious left-winger Jacob Rees Mogg doesn't think that's what he was doing. https://www.gbnews.com/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-defends-unquestionably-impartial-speaker

Lovingthegrungerevival · 22/02/2024 11:54

Hoyle isn't exactly known for doing Labour loads of favours during his time as Speaker. It doesn't seem in character for him to bow down to Starmer at all.

Therefore, there must have been a very good reason for him to do so and risk losing his job.

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JSMill · 22/02/2024 11:58

Lampslights · 21/02/2024 21:27

The speaker should have picked only the government amendment due to convention, literally only the government amendment. If he did so, labour mps would have revolted against starmer.

So he picked the labour amendment too. Which meant no revolt for starmer.

the speaker should not be trying to aid one side and should be unbiased. It is rumoured he met with labour leaders before hand. And that they threatened to get him out of position if he didn’t, the speaker should not bow to threats.

the snp amendment wasn’t picked.

it’s very clear he tried to sway it for starmer. His own advisors told him he could not do it, but he did.

All because starmer didn’t wish the public to see his mps revolt against him and understand the parties signficant turmoil

the speaker. Sir Lesley will likely loose his position. He cannot bow down to threats from any party.

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It's absolutely appalling, both from a parliamentary perspective and for the Gazan people. To me, it shows Starmer has no integrity.

IClaudine · 22/02/2024 12:00

Lovingthegrungerevival · 22/02/2024 11:54

Hoyle isn't exactly known for doing Labour loads of favours during his time as Speaker. It doesn't seem in character for him to bow down to Starmer at all.

Therefore, there must have been a very good reason for him to do so and risk losing his job.

Perhaps he genuinely thought a motion could be put forward that Parliament could unite behind.

EasternStandard · 22/02/2024 12:01

horseyhorsey17 · 22/02/2024 11:51

Hoyle isn't exactly known for doing Labour loads of favours during his time as Speaker. It doesn't seem in character for him to bow down to Starmer at all.

Even that notorious left-winger Jacob Rees Mogg doesn't think that's what he was doing. https://www.gbnews.com/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-defends-unquestionably-impartial-speaker

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Not sure why people wheel out Rees Mogg when it suits them

Who cares?

No confidence motions are near 60 and will likely go over 10%

Starmer should have thought of what he was causing rather than saving his arse

BIossomtoes · 22/02/2024 12:02

Not sure why people wheel out Rees Mogg when it suits them

😂

horseyhorsey17 · 22/02/2024 12:20

EasternStandard · 22/02/2024 12:01

Not sure why people wheel out Rees Mogg when it suits them

Who cares?

No confidence motions are near 60 and will likely go over 10%

Starmer should have thought of what he was causing rather than saving his arse

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Interesting - could you point me to the evidence that Starmer leant on Hoyle as I haven't seen that independently verified anywhere yet?

horseyhorsey17 · 22/02/2024 12:21

Lovingthegrungerevival · 22/02/2024 11:54

Hoyle isn't exactly known for doing Labour loads of favours during his time as Speaker. It doesn't seem in character for him to bow down to Starmer at all.

Therefore, there must have been a very good reason for him to do so and risk losing his job.

That's pure speculation.

BigFluffyHoodie · 22/02/2024 12:23

Mark Francois has just made a very moving address to the House. It moved me to tears.

I'm watching Parliament on iPlayer. so at about 12.20pm.

Lovingthegrungerevival · 22/02/2024 12:27

horseyhorsey17 · 22/02/2024 12:21

That's pure speculation.

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So far, 59 MPs have signed a vote of no confidence. Nothing speculative about that. Or any you implying there may be another reason he could lose his job?

Clavinova · 22/02/2024 12:27

Even that notorious left-winger Jacob Rees Mogg doesn't think that's what he was doing.

I can see why JRM might be keen to keep Hoyle - Sir Lindsay was one of 18 Labour MPs who voted against the Lisbon Treaty in 2008.

kitfree1 · 22/02/2024 12:30

horseyhorsey17 · 22/02/2024 11:41

Tories all over this thread - who even knew they had so many fans left. Or social media managers.

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Have you been checking the voting records and party membership of posters?

horseyhorsey17 · 22/02/2024 12:30

Lovingthegrungerevival · 22/02/2024 12:27

So far, 59 MPs have signed a vote of no confidence. Nothing speculative about that. Or any you implying there may be another reason he could lose his job?

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Votes of no confidence happen all the time, particularly with this government. They're part of the cut and thrust of political life.

Lovingthegrungerevival · 22/02/2024 12:31

horseyhorsey17 · 22/02/2024 12:30

Votes of no confidence happen all the time, particularly with this government. They're part of the cut and thrust of political life.

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The desperation to brush this under the carpet is clear. Extremely embarassing for Starmer.

BigFluffyHoodie · 22/02/2024 12:31

Mark Francois made a moving intervention. He is calling for the debate to be reheld, and for Hoyle to be in charge of it.

kitfree1 · 22/02/2024 12:32

cardibach · 22/02/2024 11:45

I’m saying lots of people are going ‘ooo Labour are horribly split and a Labour government would be chais’ while totally ignoring the many, many splits in the current Tory government.
I wonder why they are doing that?

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Because despite all the evidence about Starmer
eg
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/08/what-is-beergate-and-why-does-it-matter

It seems people want him to be Prime Minister.

What is Beergate and why does it matter?

Keir Starmer having a beer and takeaway has potentially become a resigning matter after reopening of investigation

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/08/what-is-beergate-and-why-does-it-matter

fleurneige · 22/02/2024 12:34

BigFluffyHoodie · 22/02/2024 12:23

Mark Francois has just made a very moving address to the House. It moved me to tears.

I'm watching Parliament on iPlayer. so at about 12.20pm.

Mark Francois - moving? Nevdr thought I'd hear this. How did he 'move you to tears'. Link?

kitfree1 · 22/02/2024 12:34

EasternStandard · 22/02/2024 12:01

Not sure why people wheel out Rees Mogg when it suits them

Who cares?

No confidence motions are near 60 and will likely go over 10%

Starmer should have thought of what he was causing rather than saving his arse

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Rees Mogg is an intelligent man, who knows a lot about parliamentary procedures, so well worth listening to.

Lovingthegrungerevival · 22/02/2024 12:36

kitfree1 · 22/02/2024 12:34

Rees Mogg is an intelligent man, who knows a lot about parliamentary procedures, so well worth listening to.

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Everyone appears to hate Rees Mogg so will be very unlikely to listen to a word he says.

Sureaseggs44 · 22/02/2024 12:36

SameSameButDeliverance · 21/02/2024 21:45

Isn’t there also the situation that the Tories didn’t want the Labour amendment to be successful, so are outraged that the Labour amendment was selected. They also delayed returning to the Chamber for the vote, resulting in more chaos. Tories also ‘politic-ing’.

Jess Philip’s tweeted about it.

Chris Bryant has has a decent thread unrolled on X too.

Jess Phillips also tweeted she is not familiar with all of parliamentary procedures 🤷‍♀️

so as an MP she is saying she was not sure if what happened was wrong or not .

BigFluffyHoodie · 22/02/2024 12:38

fleurneige · 22/02/2024 12:34

Mark Francois - moving? Nevdr thought I'd hear this. How did he 'move you to tears'. Link?

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Yes, of all the people I thought I would find moving, he was not on my list. He talked about his best friend, David Amess, the MP who was murdered by an admitted Islamic extremist.

It really cut through. I like his idea of rerunning the debate, and for Hoyle not to lose his job.

BigFluffyHoodie · 22/02/2024 12:41

Hoyle is speaking to the House right now.

Sarahconnor1 · 22/02/2024 12:42

Hoyle is speaking and has confirmed that he took the action he did because of threats made to MPs.

BigFluffyHoodie · 22/02/2024 12:43

He apologises for how he handled things yesterday, but not for trying to keep everyone in Parliament safe.

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