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Keir Starmer's personality

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dustcollective · 19/02/2024 11:35

Not so much a political commentary here or asking about people's voting intentions, but more about Starmer's personality- a lot of the press seems to paint Keir Starmer out to be "posh" and "boring / grey", however it seems he really isn't either of those things - having just read an extract from a biography of him. I had no idea how challenging his childhood was, his brothers needs, schoolyard fights or how emotionally abusive his father was - not letting them have tv in the house, insisting on silence at the dinner table, no hugging or warmth. I knew about his mums poor health but not to the extent that she / they suffered. It must have bed. So hard for the children.

I found it interesting that he hasn't really "mined" any of these experiences to sell himself and has kept most of it largely private. He's talked about his mums health and his dad being a toolmaker but hasn't shared much else and often comes across as somewhat rigid and dull. In some ways I suppose it's refreshing that he doesn't go on about his upbringing - a contrast to the likes of "Spare" etc - but also I feel he's not coming across as who he truly is. I now think so much more of him having read this and was quite surprised by it all.

If anyone's interested the link is here www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dee0d8b7-c480-4882-a0f2-4f31300f2c02?shareToken=b2a4a731e2c198fb2abafef4137744f8

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Justifiedcheese · 19/02/2024 18:47

HermioneWeasley · 19/02/2024 11:40

Thanks Labour’s PR team.

I don’t care about his personality, I care about a women’s rights. That’s why he/labour won’t be getting my vote

Because the Tories really care about women's rights. Yeah, suuuuuure. None so blind as those who don't want to see

Riapia · 19/02/2024 18:53

“Doesn’t have a point of view
noes not where he’s going to “

Just what we need.

newnamethanks · 19/02/2024 18:57

You forgot to add the next line "Isn't he a bit like you and me?"

LoveAHamSandwhich · 19/02/2024 18:58

newnamethanks · 19/02/2024 18:57

You forgot to add the next line "Isn't he a bit like you and me?"

I would be rubbish at running the country.

itsgettingweird · 19/02/2024 19:06

Loveahamsandwich

I haven't said who I was voting for. I said I'd wait for manifestos.

Labour have gone back on green pledge. So have Tory's.

I will research why.

But currently the Tory's are the ones who have left us with no money or public services so I don't intend to vote for them!

There are more than 2 parties

Notonthestairs · 19/02/2024 19:06

Ditching policies seems quite a theme especially for the Conservatives - HS2, workers rights watchdog (that was ditched not long after the last election), levelling up, house building targets, £10 fines for missed NHS appointments (unworkable), scrapping all EU laws (unworkable), wind farms (double U turn), Truss' U turn on energy payments, linking public sector pay to local costs (Truss again). They introduced a Minister for Brexit Opportunities - short lived position obviously.

Those are just off the top of my head.

Elodie9 · 19/02/2024 19:13

Andy Beckett wrote in an article a couple of months back that -

The danger for the Conservatives may not be that many voters see their power grabs as sinister, but that they find them risible.Incompetence in government is now one of the Tories most widely recognised characteristics.

People are not stupid, we can see things despite what some may think. The point has come now when people are laughing at some of the Tories in public, for example on QT.

He also wrote that - Rishi Sunak is an unelected prime minister who did not even win a leadership contest and whose lack of authority over the many Tory factions is regularly apparent .

Allthecatseverywhereallatonce · 19/02/2024 19:28

Violetparis · 19/02/2024 13:02

Thanks for sharing OP. Hopefully he will be our next PM.

Agreed. Keir is clearly an intelligent man judging by his career alone.
look at Boris and his 'goofy'/affable personality, worked an absolute treat for the country. It is not the x factor.

keffie12 · 19/02/2024 19:40

To add for all those saying he is dull, bland, and boring, I have this to say...

"If I want to be entertained, I'll go to the theatre."

I've had enough of so-called personalities the last 8 years.

Kier Starmer is reliable, dependable, and will do the job properly with integrity.

Oh, and he is far from boring

Clavinova · 19/02/2024 19:58

IClaudine · 19/02/2024 17:13

Can't read that as it is behind a paywall. However, surely "modernising the non dom tax break" can include mean closing loop holes, so not inaccurate for them to say that.

Modernising is not the same as scrapping. Previous pledges here:

BBC 16 Nov 2023
Labour's shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves told the BBC: "Labour have committed to getting rid of the non-dom status. If you make your home in Britain you should pay your taxes here and under Labour you will.

Keir Starmer House of Commons

Feb 2024
he [Sunak] should follow Labour: scrap the non-dom tax status

July 2023
Labour’s workforce plan is fully funded by scrapping the non-dom status...

Papyrophile · 19/02/2024 19:58

Actually, right now, I don't dislike the leader of major either party. Both seem competent, earnest, reasonably honest, and fairly dull. But after the idiocies of the last few years, I'd be happy to settle for dull competence. It will be the manifesto each party publishes that will decide my vote, and after that, who seems best equipped to ride the bucking broncoes on their unruly party fringes.

DH is planning to vote for Trump, because he wants to spoil his ballot and get on the news as Trump makes an idiot of himself trying to claim that the UK wants him too!

IClaudine · 19/02/2024 20:16

Clavinova · 19/02/2024 19:58

Modernising is not the same as scrapping. Previous pledges here:

BBC 16 Nov 2023
Labour's shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves told the BBC: "Labour have committed to getting rid of the non-dom status. If you make your home in Britain you should pay your taxes here and under Labour you will.

Keir Starmer House of Commons

Feb 2024
he [Sunak] should follow Labour: scrap the non-dom tax status

July 2023
Labour’s workforce plan is fully funded by scrapping the non-dom status...

Some economists on here have said scrapping the non dom tax status was a bad idea. Perhaps Labour agree and have now found a better way forward.

Hopefully a GE will happen sooner rather than later. Then we will be able to see what "closing the non dom tax loophole" means in the manifesto.🙂

Oblomov24 · 19/02/2024 20:20

So disappointed. When he came to power I thought, he's got potential, highly intelligent. He's done nothing, so wishy washy. Not taken advantage of opportunities. And the 'what is a woman' issue, I was so sad, what a twat.

Katharineblum · 19/02/2024 21:17

@EasternStandard hardly stalking when you rock up on every thread about immigration or gender ID 😂 I think you are a tad obsessed about the poor sods coming over in the boats or generally harmless people who have a gender dysphoria. You defo need a hobby.

EasternStandard · 19/02/2024 21:22

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BIossomtoes · 19/02/2024 21:52

LoveAHamSandwhich · 19/02/2024 17:40

It's their words for "Not actually cancelling non dom status like we said we would"

No it isn’t. His actual were

“It’s a change we are absolutely committed to. Of course, we will replace it with a modern regime for people who are going to be in the country for a short period of time.”

cardibach · 19/02/2024 22:46

LoveAHamSandwhich · 19/02/2024 18:42

£28 billion.
Pledge.
To.
£5 billion.
Plan.
Equals.
£28 billion.
Pledge.
Ditched.

Nope.
Adjusted in the light of the reality that the Tories have trashed the economy. They intend for it all to happen when it can be afforded. If they hadn’t reduced it, you’d have been banging on about ‘where is the money coming from?’
And anyway, it’s £15k. The £10k that isn’t new money was included in the first figure too.

cardibach · 19/02/2024 22:51

Oblomov24 · 19/02/2024 20:20

So disappointed. When he came to power I thought, he's got potential, highly intelligent. He's done nothing, so wishy washy. Not taken advantage of opportunities. And the 'what is a woman' issue, I was so sad, what a twat.

What power do you think he came to? What do you think he can do as Leader of the Opposition?

Hollyhead · 19/02/2024 23:01

I like him, I have no idea why people aren’t more enthusiastic about getting rid of the worst government for probably hundreds of years. I think he’ll do a good job and probably get in.

BIossomtoes · 19/02/2024 23:23

Hollyhead · 19/02/2024 23:01

I like him, I have no idea why people aren’t more enthusiastic about getting rid of the worst government for probably hundreds of years. I think he’ll do a good job and probably get in.

I can only conclude they’re all masochists.

LoveAHamSandwhich · 20/02/2024 07:56

BIossomtoes · 19/02/2024 21:52

No it isn’t. His actual were

“It’s a change we are absolutely committed to. Of course, we will replace it with a modern regime for people who are going to be in the country for a short period of time.”

That's right. They are not cancelling non dom status, as they said they would.

LoveAHamSandwhich · 20/02/2024 07:57

cardibach · 19/02/2024 22:46

Nope.
Adjusted in the light of the reality that the Tories have trashed the economy. They intend for it all to happen when it can be afforded. If they hadn’t reduced it, you’d have been banging on about ‘where is the money coming from?’
And anyway, it’s £15k. The £10k that isn’t new money was included in the first figure too.

Ha ha. We'll make a spin doctor of you yet!

If it's not cancelled, why are some people in his own party - including Ed Milliband, whose initiative it was - and the Green Party, so upset?

BIossomtoes · 20/02/2024 08:02

LoveAHamSandwhich · 20/02/2024 07:57

Ha ha. We'll make a spin doctor of you yet!

If it's not cancelled, why are some people in his own party - including Ed Milliband, whose initiative it was - and the Green Party, so upset?

Maybe they have as little comprehension as you. It’s been delayed because it’s currently unaffordable, thanks to the most fiscally incompetent government of recent times. There’s no money despite taxation being the highest since 1945.

LoveAHamSandwhich · 20/02/2024 08:06

BIossomtoes · 20/02/2024 08:02

Maybe they have as little comprehension as you. It’s been delayed because it’s currently unaffordable, thanks to the most fiscally incompetent government of recent times. There’s no money despite taxation being the highest since 1945.

Bless. They have done a U turn because it was politically expedient.

Why Labour has finally U-turned on its £28bn green pledge - New Statesman

Why Labour has finally U-turned on its £28bn green pledge

The leadership concluded that the policy was simply too politically dangerous.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/labour/2024/02/why-labour-has-finally-u-turned-on-its-28bn-green-pledge

EasternStandard · 20/02/2024 08:15

LoveAHamSandwhich · 20/02/2024 08:06

Bless. They have done a U turn because it was politically expedient.

Why Labour has finally U-turned on its £28bn green pledge - New Statesman

It didn’t help that they were trumpeting it at Oct 2023 conference with ‘fully costed’

They might have noticed the pandemic since 2019 and huge amounts of energy support