UK officially in recession...

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Latest stats released show the UK is now officially in recession (Office for national statistic data).

Gaslighting has started in the media by ministers to try to minimise that fact.

Isn't it time to face the facts instead and call a general election?

I know the picture is bleak and any new party in power will need years to try to sort out this mess but something needs to be done...

The UK's decline in the past few decade or so has really been dramatic.

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I didn’t make suggestions other than bloody do the job of government.
I also don’t blame immigration, and particularly asylum seekers, for the woes of the world.

This one. You just posted it. Anyway as said it won’t happen

We need to cut benefit spending to the bare minimum and introduce a minimum work requirement. We are living in a fantasy where we can be a world power house without a manufacturing sector or a working class doing those jobs. Immigrants aren't the problem, local to use they work on farms, in take away etc it the British born that are the problem.

Yay! That was on my Tory Blame Bingo list!😁

sleepyscientist do you know why we no longer have a manufacturing sector?

Hint: it is not because of benefit claimants.

An interesting piece of journalism where the picture suggests one thing, but the words another ....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68285833

But where would you cut benefits? They are literally already at the bone, they mostly go to either pensioners or those in work anyway, I guess you could means test the state pension but with FPTP no party would be that bold as they basically wouldn't win, it would need a cross party agreement.

Also surely cutting benefit would destroy the economy even more, you're literally talking about removing billions of pounds from the economy. Most people on benefits don't put benefit payments into savings accounts or send it offshore, they have to spend it in order to live so it mostly gets spent and circulated around the wider economy.

Indeed. So was GDP.

You mean the Treasury tradition started by a Tory chancellor? I wonder what Hunt’s note will say?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/may/17/liam-byrne-note-successor

I’m not from the UK, but when we watched on the news how UK decided to have complete lockdown and close things down we suspected it would affect the economy for years and years. We kept things open and ended up with about the same or even less deaths in the end anyway. I think the difference was though that our politicians stepped back and gave our chief epidemiologist all power.

I’m not going to get into an argument about immigration, but as a general FYI not all immigrants are asylum seekers. They are not interchange terms - they mean very different things.

That one that says we should clear the backlog? Going to have a go as t9 the mechanism by which doing that would increase numbers of asylum seekers?

We need to cut benefit spending to the bare minimum and introduce a minimum work requirement.

So you want pensioners to go to work? 🙄

What was the point in posting that if you didn't want it to be discussed!??

Surely if clearing the backlog would increase numbers, creating the backlog should have made them fall?

Not quite sure why everyone is banging in about migration, the Tories have totally failed in that too, though funnily enough, without those 750k migrants, the UK GDP would have fallen even further!

Has Recession Richi managed to actually do anything?? even the inflation drop is down to global energy costs falling.

Now we have Tax cuts as an answer to our woes! FFS! funded & based on Government spending cuts into next year and beyond, fucking the economy even further for supposed electoral gain, these people should be jail.

Its unbelievable given the state of our roads, public services & social care sectors... 40k nurses left the NHS last year... but just 30k joined a nursing degree course (many of these wil be overseas students with no intention of working in the NHS.

65k backlog of court cases, people waiting many years to see justice served, if at all.

Comparisons with other countries? UK has the highest inflation rate in the G7 and set to go higher, another comparison is Eurozone inflation @ 2.9% & our borrowing costs are super high too, thanks to Liz Truss.

But Labour....

In the meantime, if I need medical care I should have it no matter how old I am, I didn't say to the younger generation I'm not paying for little Johnny - he hasn't any paid NI yet!! People paid for me when I was a child, and I paid in when I was working so I have a reasonable right to access medical care if needed.
That's how the system is meant to work - it's a little wobbly at the moment but that's because of lots of extenuating circumstances - COVID, strikes, lack of funding, poor management of funding etc etc.

But the system cannot work with the changing demographics, we have more over 65s then under 15 yrs olds. And people wonder why governments aren’t tough on immigration.

Your post - Safe routes via France and clearing backlog. You’ll increase demand.

Even Starmer isn’t doing that. Think it’s offshore processing now

I don’t think he knows quite, but I’m sure he’ll fill you in at some point

Because it's too expensive to manufacture here yet we are spending money on out of work benefits. We need incentives to bring manufacturing back (tax breaks, free land etc)

Personally I think the pension age needs to rise with private pensions if you want to go early.

We live in a northern town the amount of people working the bare minimum is unreal as it's topped up by benefits. Yet we have immigrants putting in 15 hour days to get a step on the ladder.

The Tories destroyed manufacturing in favour of the UK becoming a service industry.

Imo partly a global & partly tories. However, Labour taking us through covid/lockdown, an aging population, immigration, wars, would’ve been a shitshow.

I was optimistic & happy in 2010 too. The world is different now & it’s not the most fault of CP (though, like I said I won’t be voting them & they’re awful). Wars, too many people & various other things have had a big impact.

Labour will come in chanting ‘We’ll fix the NHS, we’ll bring it babk’ when the least they will do is chuck billions at it (not knowing where the money’s coming from) and these extra billions will disappear into middle management with no plan of investing in new Drs/nurses & we’ll be back to head scratching.

This. Although at least @TheNoonBell knew it wasn't Gordon Brown, unlike @TheThingIsYeah

Just one of those convenient half truths that get wheeled out by people clutching at straws.

Because it's too expensive to manufacture here yet we are spending money on out of work benefits. We need incentives to bring manufacturing back (tax breaks, free land etc)

But people want cheap products now & you can’t compete with China.

Personally I think the pension age needs to rise with private pensions if you want to go early.

How much later would you put it considering it’s 68 now & life expectancy isn’t increasing?

Labour will come in chanting ‘We’ll fix the NHS, we’ll bring it babk’ when the least they will do is chuck billions at it (not knowing where the money’s coming from)

We all know this is BS @StarDolphins the labour party have made it clear they have a lot to do to clear up the shit and won't be performing any miracles.