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UK officially in recession...

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Startingagainandagain · 15/02/2024 09:31

Latest stats released show the UK is now officially in recession (Office for national statistic data).

Gaslighting has started in the media by ministers to try to minimise that fact.

Isn't it time to face the facts instead and call a general election?

I know the picture is bleak and any new party in power will need years to try to sort out this mess but something needs to be done...

The UK's decline in the past few decade or so has really been dramatic.

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jasflowers · 16/02/2024 07:05

Benefits aren't why the UK is lagging so far behind in terms of productivity and public services.
Its austerity and the lack of investment that has caused this.

Other european countries haven't 7.5m on waiting lists or so many off sick waiting for treatment nor have so many people with poor health.

Other countries have an aging pop. too but do not have our problems.

The Kings fund recently highlighted why productivity is so low in the NHS : Falling down/leaky buildings, poor IT, a pop. with failing health.

Funnily enough they never mentioned benefits, well thats a lie... they did, Maternity benefits are so low that many women have to return to work early or skip meals.

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:05

@DillyD0007854 so you are accusing me of lying? For what purpose?

DillyD0007854 · 16/02/2024 07:06

The fact that the Tory line now appears to be that terminally ill children and those on dialysis should have their disability benefit means tested beggars belief. And we wonder why we as a country we are battling a massive mental health crisis. 🤔

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shielder · 16/02/2024 07:08

Benefits aren't why the UK is lagging so far behind in terms of productivity and public services.Its austerity and the lack of investment that has caused.

Exactly but I guess easier to blame the disabled

jasflowers · 16/02/2024 07:09

DillyD0007854 · 16/02/2024 07:06

The fact that the Tory line now appears to be that terminally ill children and those on dialysis should have their disability benefit means tested beggars belief. And we wonder why we as a country we are battling a massive mental health crisis. 🤔

Yes MH services is another thing the Tories have totally failed to invest in over time.

They throw millions at problems for short term fixes (which don't work) instead of sustained and continuous funding in new staff, retention and real estate.

DillyD0007854 · 16/02/2024 07:10

No I’m saying that inferring that people can easily get benefits just because their child has an ADHD diagnosis isn’t correct. You don’t get it just because your child has ADHD you would get it if that child required a lot of care and you need to prove that through the lengthy form and scrutinised application process.

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:13

No I’m saying that inferring that people can easily get benefits just because their child has an ADHD diagnosis isn’t correct

Where did I infer it was easy to get? I said I found the form straightforward, that’s not the same thing….

You don’t get it just because your child has ADHD you would get it if that child required a lot of care and you need to prove that through the lengthy form and scrutinised application process.

But he does only have ADHD but as I said it does impact his life 🤷🏻‍♀️

MushMonster · 16/02/2024 07:14

I am not surprised, at all. I actually think that somebody must have been doing some magic tricks with numbers since the cost of living crisis started, because I have been in personal recession since then! I am actually a bit better off now than months ago, but still in recession.

Zonder · 16/02/2024 07:14

shielder · 16/02/2024 06:38

Name the benefits. It won’t be PIP as has previously been explained so what are these benefits that you get for ADHD and are apparantly so easy to obtain?

My nephew gets DLA but I don’t think this was a thing yrs ago.

DLA is hard to get. It's not just handed out to anyone with ADHD. As part of my job I work with families on their DLA claim. You only get it if you can prove the cost of your child's disability and its impact on your family.

That's to anyone who thinks anybody can get benefits easily.

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:21

I feel like I’m going mad, what on earth is up with posters reading comprehension?!

@Zonder I never said it was easy to get or that every dc with ADHD can get it.

You only get it if you can prove the cost of your child's disability and its impact on your family.

I’ve repeatedly said his life is impacted which is why they get it & need it & deserve it.

That's to anyone who thinks anybody can get benefits easily.

i’ve not once said on the thread benefits are a problem….

DillyD0007854 · 16/02/2024 07:24

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:13

No I’m saying that inferring that people can easily get benefits just because their child has an ADHD diagnosis isn’t correct

Where did I infer it was easy to get? I said I found the form straightforward, that’s not the same thing….

You don’t get it just because your child has ADHD you would get it if that child required a lot of care and you need to prove that through the lengthy form and scrutinised application process.

But he does only have ADHD but as I said it does impact his life 🤷🏻‍♀️

A previous poster said people were being advised to get ADHD diagnosis( almost impossible on the nhs atm and ££££ privately) to get benefits.

I am simply pointing out that an ADHD diagnosis doesn’t not mean you are automatically entitled to benefits and it would be hard to get DLA unless you could prove robustly that care was needed.

I know because my children all have it as do I. Literally no point in me trying to claim PIP( the adult equivalent) as I don’t require care and no point 2 of my children trying to claim either as they don’t require care and there is no way I could falsely prove they did.

Naptrappedmummy · 16/02/2024 07:25

LiquoriceAllsort2 · 16/02/2024 01:35

Some people are more gullible than I thought.

Do you believe that if I went to my GP tomorrow and said I was struggling with my moods and crying all the time that I wouldn't come out with a prescription for an antidepressant.

When our kids were small we thought the youngest was showing many traits of ADHD. The amount of parents that were saying to us to get him checked out as they were recieving benefits for theirs were quite an eye opener.

At the end of the day we can stick our fingers in our ears and go la,la,la but only time will tell how much poorer we will all become.

Yep. They can’t say they haven’t been warned!

Zonder · 16/02/2024 07:27

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:21

I feel like I’m going mad, what on earth is up with posters reading comprehension?!

@Zonder I never said it was easy to get or that every dc with ADHD can get it.

You only get it if you can prove the cost of your child's disability and its impact on your family.

I’ve repeatedly said his life is impacted which is why they get it & need it & deserve it.

That's to anyone who thinks anybody can get benefits easily.

i’ve not once said on the thread benefits are a problem….

And as I said in my last sentence
That's to anyone who thinks anybody can get benefits easily.

Your son doesn't get DLA because he has ADHD anyway. He gets it because his ADHD has such an impact which you had to prove on the DLA (which incidentally came in in the early 90s). Lots of people with ADHD don't qualify for DLA.

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:33

A previous poster said people were being advised to get ADHD diagnosis( almost impossible on the nhs atm and ££££ privately) to get benefits.

I don’t believe that though just like I don’t believe the economy is been run into the ground by the work shy.

I am simply pointing out that an ADHD diagnosis doesn’t not mean you are automatically entitled to benefits and it would be hard to get DLA unless you could prove robustly that care was needed

Well no, you have decided you know about my own personal experience & argued back & forth with me about inference I never made.

I know because my children all have it as do I. Literally no point in me trying to claim PIP( the adult equivalent) as I don’t require care and no point 2 of my children trying to claim either as they don’t require care and there is no way I could falsely prove they did.

Which is completely irrelevant in my example because all along I’ve said my nephews life is impacted…

DillyD0007854 · 16/02/2024 07:34

Naptrappedmummy · 16/02/2024 07:25

Yep. They can’t say they haven’t been warned!

You’re being ridiculous now. It’s been explained to you several times that getting a prescription for ADs and an ADHD diagnosis alone will get you zilch as regards benefits.

You’d be lucky to get anything if you tried to take your own life multiple times.

And as for warning, warning what? No government could perform any worse than the current one does.

DillyD0007854 · 16/02/2024 07:35

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:33

A previous poster said people were being advised to get ADHD diagnosis( almost impossible on the nhs atm and ££££ privately) to get benefits.

I don’t believe that though just like I don’t believe the economy is been run into the ground by the work shy.

I am simply pointing out that an ADHD diagnosis doesn’t not mean you are automatically entitled to benefits and it would be hard to get DLA unless you could prove robustly that care was needed

Well no, you have decided you know about my own personal experience & argued back & forth with me about inference I never made.

I know because my children all have it as do I. Literally no point in me trying to claim PIP( the adult equivalent) as I don’t require care and no point 2 of my children trying to claim either as they don’t require care and there is no way I could falsely prove they did.

Which is completely irrelevant in my example because all along I’ve said my nephews life is impacted…

Whatever.🙄

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:37

Whatever.🙄

Another excellent contribution!

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:38

“Your son doesn't get DLA because he has ADHD anyway. He gets it because his ADHD has such an impact which you had to prove on the DLA (which incidentally came in in the early 90s). Lots of people with ADHD don't qualify for DLA.”

I stand by my point about comprehension!

DillyD0007854 · 16/02/2024 07:41

You’re refusing to understand why I replied to your comment to adhd so there is no point going back and forth. I you read the thread you might. Whatever is the best answer. 🤷‍♀️

Zonder · 16/02/2024 07:47

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:38

“Your son doesn't get DLA because he has ADHD anyway. He gets it because his ADHD has such an impact which you had to prove on the DLA (which incidentally came in in the early 90s). Lots of people with ADHD don't qualify for DLA.”

I stand by my point about comprehension!

Do you always make everything about you?

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:47

It’s completely derailing the thread but I’m not refusing to understand anything.
Because of an issue with another poster you went back & forth with me about things I didn’t even say.

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:50

Do you always make everything about you?

😆😆😆😆

Is this your normal response to being corrected? Life must be very tough for you.

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:55

The irony of @Zonder replying to one of my posts, not reading it correctly & interpreting it wrongly to then question if I make everything about me. Brilliant 👏🏻

Zonder · 16/02/2024 07:56

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:50

Do you always make everything about you?

😆😆😆😆

Is this your normal response to being corrected? Life must be very tough for you.

No. It's my normal response to someone who thinks it's all about them when I clearly put

That's to anyone who thinks anybody can get benefits easily.

What was that about comprehension issues?

Zonder · 16/02/2024 07:57

shielder · 16/02/2024 07:55

The irony of @Zonder replying to one of my posts, not reading it correctly & interpreting it wrongly to then question if I make everything about me. Brilliant 👏🏻

The irony of you not being able to read one sentence.