Anyone still suffering lockdown fallout?

[EmmaEmerald]

I don’t want to tag any of the original people who helped me out a lot as I know this thread will attract a lot of nasty folk

but every so often I feel absolutely in shock still at how the fallout goes on.

suppose I’m seeking reassurance it won’t be like this forever but it might be, I guess.

It is an interesting point about the vaccines. I think it's fairly obvious that the widespread, ongoing consent for more lockdown/other restrictions in 2021 was different to the one in 2020 in that respect, because 2020 was about us not knowing what we were dealing with and 2021 was about buying time for people to be vaccinated. Obviously not everyone buys into both of these points, but what I mean is those looked to me to be the most widespread takes.

In a parallel universe where we still had covid 19 but didn't manage to come up with a decently effective vaccine quite soon, what would've happened then is quite a thought experiment. We know people don't observe restrictions forever.

Ah, so you think we should not have had lockdown and just let the bodies pile up?

And have the NHS overwhelmed with not enough beds, staff, etc. to treat people with Covid and other conditions.

Good grief, no! Why is it that by raising the harm brought by Iockdown, that it is interpreted as wishing everyone just died from Covid? I guess this goes back to the OP and explains why the suffering from lockdown has been swept under the rug, including the high morbidity and mortality which could well match or outdo the morbidity and mortality of Covid in this country. Lockdown was bad and Covid is bad. The two statements are not mutually exclusive and it’s totally reasonable to disagree with political decisions.

Sorry for your loss.

My Mum died from cancer early on in the pandemic. Her cancer was terminal, however we would have had longer with her if not for the pandemic (she was 73). We had the 10 people funeral, everyone 2m apart. I've put it all away because, like you, I don't want to dwell. And I know my Mum would've booted my backside for wallowing!

I do still feel quite intense anger when confronted with this notion (as have been during this covid enquiry) that the grief of those who lost loved ones to covid usurps the grief of those of us who lost loved ones to the response.

No of course not. But I can see you’re going for the reactionary and inflammatory statements, rather than trying to understand the OP’s perspective and unpack the short and long term health implications and morbidity and mortality from lockdown, including public health, addiction, domestic violence, mental illness, delayed diagnoses and on and on. There was no certain outcome one way or the other, nor was there any certainty that the “bodies would pile up” or whatever hateful phrase was used.

The government and public response to the pandemic will provide a rich vein for PhD theses across all disciplines for years to come.

“I do still feel quite intense anger when confronted with this notion (as have been during this covid enquiry) that the grief of those who lost loved ones to covid usurps the grief of those of us who lost loved ones to the response.”

Yes, me too. It has happened to me and to others even on this thread.

I’m so sorry NoHappyEverAfter 🌷

I’m sorry about your mum. My DH’s funeral was similar and it was very hard. Also grieving alone with my toddler. Still gives me shudders.

The conclusion I’ve come to though is that if we hadn’t locked down and the hospitals had been overwhelmed with Covid cases, DH’s outcome would probably have been the same. It was just a no-win situation. That has helped me come to terms with it all.

But I can see you’re going for the reactionary and inflammatory statements, rather than trying to understand the OP’s perspective and unpack the short and long term health implications and morbidity and mortality from lockdown, including public health, addiction, domestic violence, mental illness, delayed diagnoses and on and on. There was no certain outcome one way or the other, nor was there any certainty that the “bodies would pile up” or whatever hateful phrase was used.

Your reaction to my statement is hyperbolic ann unwarranted. In addition, you are putting words in my mouth. I have certainly not said anything hateful and I have not commented either way about grief.

I have merely pointed out that the lockdowns (which people experienced differently and which clearly contributed to suffering for some) were necessary. I have also noted that without them things would very likely have been worse, especially with respect to loss of life, grief and lack of access to medical care.

Mmm think lockdown hastened my reclusive tendencies. I feel tied to home.

Weird about handshaking and people close behind me queues.

v unsociable. Can’t be bothered.

im not sure some peope can rewind but I’m finding a new me which is playing a sport that is good for my mental health but also involves a bit of socialising but in small bits that I can cope with.

I hate eating out now.

my ds, on the other hand, benefitted from it as although he was fine and enjoyed being holed up in his room for months, when he finally went back to school he realised the limitations of being an only child and became more outgoing and it has transformed him.

so many different experiences.

The vaccines do seem quite ineffective, but they were only going to work for 60% of people.

The issue for me about lock downs is that they were compulsory. We should have all been able to make our own risk assessments. The health message previously was that socialising and getting out and about is good for you.

So many elderly people died due to isolation. Our church lost 9 elderly members who would probably have stayed alive if their activities (lunch, coffee) had continued. Their last year was one of isolation. The church hasn't recovered.

We missed our ivf cycle as clinics closed due to lockdown. My condition then progressed so much that I can no longer have own egg ivf - it didn't work. I may well have worked in early 2020. We will.never know.

We are doing donor egg ivf now but it's very hard to think about the lost chance.

Finances here more than anything. Ruined us completely. I don't think we will be ok again, as in not living on credit cards, overdrafts and some loans will be paid off) for at least another 6 or 7 years at this rate. Maybe longer if something else happens

Lockdown happened. Get over it. It only affects you negatively if you let it.

.......... nor was there any certainty that the “bodies would pile up” or whatever hateful phrase was used.

I worked in an ICU Red Zone throughout and it was real enough, believe me. We had a refrigerated lorry trailer in our services car park as back-up mortuary facilities. I also saw Imams give Catholics the last rights. There was a documentary about it , centred around Northwick Park, watch that.

There was also a book published called "Hold Still", go to page 17 or page 28.

No suffering here. As a family everything is back to pre-Covid style of life (including 4 days in the office).

Lockdown is a memory with negatives (a missed funeral in particular, the home-schooling) and positives (lots of family time, deserted central London, and laughing at the panic as children ate snacks without washing their hands after school!).

I appreciate that your experience is very different and I wish you the best with getting over it.

PrincessCharlette - thank you for your work and for this reality check.

There is no point in wallowing. Lockdown is over.

My two older brothers, who are in their 70s and share a house have not left the house & garden since the first lockdown, except to get vaccinations. I think this is mainly driven by my older brother who is very overweight and sees himself as high-risk. He says he’s not going to come out, or allow visitors, until Covid is “100% gone” which obviously is not going to happen. I wonder if I will ever see them again.

Oh I see! I had my dd in lockdown too so I suppose it’s the same for me, but I don’t associate that with it being lockdowns fault as obviously it would’ve happened anyway. For me lockdown meant an awful birth experience, no visitors for a while and isolation during mat leave, but after lockdowns that obviously changed.

So why did you write this at 11:39?

Lockdown was a political decision which seemed to be based on calculations on the back of a fag packet, if the current enquiry is anything to go by.

You are saying Lockdown was a Political decision rather than a Necessity to prevent many more deaths!

It was either necessary or it was not. You seem to be trying to straddle both sides.

My spouse has long Covid and it's profoundly affected our lives

He has aged a couple of decades and can
only manage short walks whereas before he'd run 30-40 miles a week

Awful disease

I feel exactly like this. I get very edgy if I’m in too much. I also have PTSD (not joking) from crafts and indoor activities. DD is now the same age DS was in lockdown and doing craft and indoor games with her makes me want to scream because we did so much in lockdown.

Don’t be silly. Lockdown caused many bad outcomes. You’re lacking the ability to think it through if you can’t see some might be long lasting

My family had some big event / changes ( that I'm not going into here) at the beginning of 2020 , prior to the lockdowns. These were unrelated to the pandemic, but it certainly adds to the feeling that 2019 was a different world that will never return.

Personally, I can't be spontaneous now .I also have a bit anxiety driving to different places. That wasn't much of an issue before lockdown . I really got out of the way of driving anywhere apart from the same local routes.