Kylie Jenner just can't win

[34weekmess]

Can she ? If she is all done up full face of make up, she's fake, a bad influence on young girls, full of filler.
If she's toned down, stripped back, a natural make up look she is then criticised for her "botched face"

She might have alot of filler in her face (a lot of girls do these days) but I personally think she looks gorgeous in these recent photos from pfw.

So what is she meant to be media ?

But she doesn't look great, she is very average. Why do you think your opinion is absolute?

You are the one who's 9 months pregnant and bored. Maybe go and spend the last few days before you have the baby doing something constructive instead of arguing with strangers on the internet and getting yourself wound up, oh and making yourself look like a silly billy ☺️

She was very young when she had the lip fillers, and she was probably told what to say by her family. She has admitted it since, probably since becoming a mum herself and realising how damaging it can be etc

i don’t see any bullying

i see an Op who thinks someone is gorgeous

and gets very worked up is anyone thinks otherwise or questions the thread itself

And here you are AGAIN - take the hint.
I am defending myself. I have a right to do that after being attacked the way I have.

The only person I can see dishing out personal attacks on this thread is the OP

Oh and this is an open chat forum, you don't get to decide who does and doesn't post on it.

@notjustthe and you're the other one who keeps being horrible. I've been accused of being nasty to someone when I have done the complete opposite, I've been attacked unnecessarily, told I'm a bad person etc
This world is a toxic place

She's 26 and looks 40 because of all the ridiculous surgery.

Fucking with a face that was so beautiful to make yourself look like a woman in her 40's is tantamount to self harm. She needs extensive therapy.

Frankly she looks like a slightly younger Amal Clooney

good grief Op

And you're number 4. So that's 4 posters who can't help but bully another poster. Just leave me alone now please.

brace yourself…

<assumes brace position >

I have no idea who she is but I'm surprised to hear she's only 26. She looks much older.

You can’t pretend to be nice and then call someone a twat OP. I really would get the thread deleted for your own sake, you’re not coming across well at all. 😅

You’ve started a thread that you know would be full of nasty comments about this woman and her family, called people bullies for calling you out or not agreeing with you, called someone a twat and said you are hiding the thread but are still here. It’s all a bit silly.

Do you know what, slight tangent, but I kind of disagree. We are not just brains in jars, we are physical creatures and have some control over our appearance just as we have some control (and not total control) over our minds and characters. As a mother and family member, I compliment my loved ones and this is part of the way I show physical affection and let them know I love them inside and out, sensory and not just theoretical. I also think it's nice to scrub up well as we are all part of the visual landscape and might as well give each other something nice to look at and feel like we're making an effort for one another. And... It can be fun - for me, it's a little bit of artistic expression that I wouldn't normally get.

That's not at all the same thing as being valued only on appearance - encouraging cosmetic surgery, feeling pressured to look a certain way, spending hours getting ready, wanting to look overtly sexy all the time, overlooking people's other qualities, making inappropriate comments and so on. (i.e. the bad side of appearances, slightly rambling list but you get my drift)

There's a balance to be struck, but what you seem to be arguing there feels like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. IME not being told she's beautiful growing up can actually spur a girl to "achieve" beauty at all costs, which is a waste of her energy... I'd rather a girl grow up being told she's beautiful.

I'm a hormonal pregnant woman what do you expect ? I feel attacked, I have been attacked, I'm still here because I feel the need to defend myself because I have done absolutely nothing wrong. How can people get away with being vile to me but when I unexpectedly fight back I'm the silly one ?

OP, get help. Seriously.

I know you don’t know her, and I know I’m not blind. People are very quick (and good) at making hierarchical judgements about someone else’s appearance (that person is more attractive than that person). We also have a good sense of how attractive we are and that rarely brings us joy, just sadness and insecurity. So I’ll say, yes, I notice when someone is attractive but no, I don’t comment on someone else’s appearance. I wouldn’t make a judgement about a friend’s appearance and wouldn’t make (certainly not a public) comment on the appearance of someone I don’t know.

The book I recommended really influenced how I bring up my kids. I don’t tell them they are beautiful, I tell them they are courageous, caring, persistent etc. I don’t want them to think I care about how they look, I DO want them to know I care about how they behave. How they look will change over time and when it changes will they feel less than? Will they think they aren’t good enough or that I love them less? I didn’t want to go down that path.

One other point, some things are universal in terms of “beauty” (youth, being slim, having a symmetrical face) and other things are more subjective. Very few people might be considered universally attractive to everyone else - although I daresay personality is coming into play there.

I am wondering now if the Op is taking the poss…

The Kardashians remain famous because they are photographed at high profile events and the media posts opinions on what they wear. It’s literally how they made money in the first place and ended up with a reality show and other sources of income.

You (like countless others) clicked on the article that fuels this unhealthy dynamic. In order to get people to click they have to come up with a headline that will have people react. They want the click from someone who is a fan and angry as much as the click from someone who isn’t a fan and agrees. Posting something neutral and more fair won’t get clicks.
In this day of algorithms etc , a Kylie fan like you should have been fed an article praising how she looks unless you usually click on critical articles that has made the algorithm think that you want more content like that. It’s not because the media is mean - they write articles that cater for everyone’s different opinions and pay platforms to feed you articles that make them money. The platforms do this because they want you to stick to their platform.
There are definitely complimentary articles out there. Click on those rather than the critical and the algorithms should feed you more in future.

I agree. I frequently tell all my children that they are beautiful - and they are. I compliment all the other wonderful things about them too, so it balances out.

She looks nothing like she used to and her insecurity is in full display. She makes her money from being in the public eye so articles like this just come with the turf.

What for though ? For calling someone gorgeous? 🤦‍♀️

forgot my image