Absolutely outraged! Train drama

[Halfull]

So my 16 year old daughter was on the train going to college, busy service so standing. She fainted (as in full on dramatic woke up on the floor fainted), we don’t really know why. A nice lady nearby stopped her hitting the floor and helped her. However, she says all the men on the train stayed in their seats and so she sat on the floor the rest of the way into the city. Not one man offered her a seat although one of them did comment that he hoped her journey home was quieter so she could sit down! She said there weren’t any women sitting down anyway and they all just… sat there.

In the general sense of human decency, what the actual hell?

I live in an ex industrial town with a high level of poverty and can guarantee that if someone fainted, needed help in anyway you'd be tripping over yourself with people offering you assistance.

Swings and roundabouts I suppose but that's how we're brought up.

I used to get the tube regularly which was also used by a young, blind woman with a guide dog and a stick. On at least one occasion I was standing (so I couldn’t offer her my seat) but, even when some seats emptied after a few stops, nobody near her bothered to tell her and it was left to me to wade past several people on the moving train to help her to a seat.
How inconsiderate!

Wow that’s disgusting.

I’ve drilled it into my 8 year old to always give up his seat whenever needed, we take frequent trains and I must admit I’m always so proud of him when he stands up when people get on the train just incase, even when the train is empty 😂 bless his heart! Some people just have no manners. I hope your daughter is ok x

@Halfull Just a thought, but your daughter could get checked out for anaemia.

BTW, for London people, TFL have a card and badge : please offer me a seat. I got one for DH who doesn't have a visible disability but has COPD and a failing heart, and can't stand for long without becoming breathless.

He doesn't like to use it though..

https://tfl.gov.uk/transport-accessibility/please-offer-me-a-seat

I was on crutches and had to argue with a person to get out of my pre booked seat. And people whine about overuse of cars killing the environment? We don't have good enough public transport! End of. And who can afford that anyway? Cost us £300 in train fares when we could have driven for a fraction of that in fuel, had a seat near each other, left when we wanted, stopped when we wanted and generally had a far better journey.

In most men's eye's, women are only worth what they can offer a man. There is also the stigma of touching a woman as it might be seen as sexual. There are a few decent men but they are the minority.

That's basically how it happened! I looked down and said; 'Oh yeah,... I forgot!'.

I was on a bus this morning, I am in my 70s with a mobility issue and there was a young woman exactly like that in the accessible seat across the aisle. Fortunately no-one else who got on needed it. She hopped off easily. There were lots of empty seats she could have chosen, not everyone who is in more need will be confident to ask someone to move.

I use the tram regularly, the priority seats are often full, teens, children, younger adults who don't have mobility passes. Up until a couple of years ago I'd get up for an obviously less able person, but I can't stand for long now. Not a societal change for the better IMO.

I remember this from when I was pregnant. Men in suits never stood up or offered a seat - or rarely, anyway. Mostly they pretended not to see me even when I was standing right in front of them. On the other hand, men who were obviously tradespeople, or young guys in joggers, always did, and women mainly did too. The sense of entitlement from the first category was obvious.

All men are vile creatures. End of.

I had similar happen and a voice I didn't recognise came out of my mouth saying very firmly 'not you!'. I was quite proud of myself 😄

If i was helping your dd i would have asked the men to get up and give her a seat! I find embarrassing them usually works! I hope your dd is ok!

If I'd been one of the women standing up by her. I'd have asked some of the men if they would give up their seat. I've done that before when elderly people get onto crowded transport and teens just sit there, oblivious. If you ask nicely someone usually offers.

I'm so sorry OP I would be fuming your poor daughter I really hope she is okay

I actually think this is the most likely scenario to be honest. If I had been the woman helping her I would have just said, can we get this lady sat down please?

I broke my foot as a teen and had to wear one of those boots. Got onto a crowded bus, didn’t mind so much that no one offered me a seat initially as I held onto a pole and people probably didn’t notice my foot, but the bus stopped suddenly and I fell quite dramatically. No one even looked my way as I scrambled to my feet in pain 🙃

When I was pregnant it was women or younger men- late teens/early 20's that would offer their seat- middle aged men never offered.

My father collapsed trying to board a train at Waterloo, having just been released from hospital.
People were stepping over him as he lay on the floor hemorrhaging.
Some people are cunts

I fell off my bike in the hospital car park and got stuck clipped in wiggling my legs around like a beetle unable to free my feet do stand up.

(Male) surgeon I’d been working with* stepped over me to reach his car.

one of the, also male, nurses came and helped me. Neither of us could believe it!

*no personality clashes. Prior to this I’d have said we got on! Now I’m not so sure.

How many women offered her their seat? Why does it have to be a man's seat? Equality and all that jazz. Or are you saying that the seats were all taken by men and all the women were standing?

I'm not surprised. I got on a packed commuter train with a broken leg wearing one of those big plastic boots. I asked the 8 people sitting in the priority seats to let me sit down. They all ignored me. Eventually somebody (think it was a man) at the other end of the carriage and in a non-priority seat let me sit down. Disgraceful behaviour!

Why didn't you just ask for a seat?

I fainted on the train a few months ago. Luckily my mum was with me. I fell onto her. The two people literally sitting opposite me (facing me) couldn't give a shit.

Found very helpful!