Flightradar Storm Isha part 2

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Anyhoo there are a few funnies around Shannon at the moment if anyone has any insights? Jet2 SNN-SNN has been looping around for a couple of hours. Slot holder?

And an Airbus owned plan bound for Toulouse has just started its third lap. Demo plane? It obviously doesn't have regular passengers, it took off 41 minutes ahead of schedule!

There's also been one diversion in from Cork.

Weird

@StinkyLittleBastrads@SurreyMumOfOne

The Flightradar departure destination info needs treating with caution, AFAIK Flightradar doesn't get live flight plan data from the likes of Eurocontrol so sometimes it tries to match a flight number that's a bit of a random with data from a previous flight that used the same number or callsign - that can lead to fun, as we saw with the Manchester-Leeds flight yesterday that was actually Manchester-Malaga..

Jet2 SNN-SNN has been looping around for a couple of hours. Slot holder?

Doubt it's a slot sitter, I haven't looked in detail but FWIW Shannon is a favourite place for airlines to do base training (circuit training that is needed on the real machine for the new joiners who have no previous time on airliners).

That Airbus company 320 neo lives up the road from us and gets around a bit doing test flights, we see it a lot - might give it wave when it gets home..

Someone mentioned stack names on the other thread. What does this mean and how can more info be found on them?

@Starlightstargazer

I think by that they meant the holding patterns set up around various airports. "stacks" get used as a term in the media but not so much inside aviation itself, they usually just get called holds....

Each hold is based on a specific position, defined by a radio beacon and/or a GPS position, and also has a defined orientation and turn direction....they're also usually designed at low level to take 4 minutes or so to do one hold but are bigger at higher altitude.

You need a aviation/airport chart to see the location of each one for each airport (there are also en-route holds away from airports).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holding_(aeronautics)

There's a little simplistic diagram of the inner Heathrow holds in this BBC piece. here .which of course, since it comes from the media, uses the "stack" term...grrrrr..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uknews/7196158.stm

Thanks! Had no idea about these things!

There's some very basic information on some airport websites.

Heathrow - https://www.heathrow.com/company/local-community/noise/operations/arrival-flight-paths#:~:text=There%20are%20four%20holding%20stacks,the%20same%20since%20the%201960s.

Manchester -
https://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/community/living-near-the-airport/airspace-and-operations/

Gatwick has two holding stacks; one called 'WILLO' which is located west of Lewes and above Burgess Hill and the second, 'TIMBA' is located above Heathfield

@Starlightstargazer

Hi again..

Just did some digging around and FWIW since Dublin has been much discussed the link below should take you to a proper chart of the type crew use, rather than a schematic, which amongst other things shows two of the main Dublin holds.

https://www.airnav.ie/getattachment/eb6d2a6b-e111-4dd0-84f5-1231ad89fe78/EIAD_2_EIDW_24-22-1_en.pdf?lang=en-IE

This is pretty much exactly what happened. I was off to Ireland from LHR for the day, we were so delayed in the end that all I would have done was got off the plane and then straight back on again to get home. So I asked to deplane, doors weren't closed at this point.

What's good to keep an eye on at the moment?

I didn't post this earlier because some posters were nervous flyers, but can I put a word in for Air Crash Investigation on National Geographic? Re-constructions of real investigations (but with the order of what they investigate rearranged in a linear fashion to make them easy to understand). Unfortunately parts of the reconstructions of the flights - the cabin interior - can be a bit disconcerting, but you could record the prog and wind past them if you are of a sensitive disposition. Fascinating, full of interesting info, and actually quite reassuring with regard to flight safety. Some of them are not even crashes, but celebrate and analyse the actions of the pilots that got them back down again in extremely trying circumstances!

Paris to bhx got to 1700 and has gone back up

Frankfurt to Birmingham has also aborted.

Frankfurt to bhx got to 1000ft and went up again
must be windy again

Birmingham it is!

X message Hunting 😁

They both now look to be heading to Manchester.

Looks like the Frankfurt one is going off somewhere else

Looks like both those Birmingham flights might be off somewhere else already? Manchester?

Ah now paris is turning...

LH one is but I think the AF may turn shortly, I drive along that way to work and I see them turn over Tamworth to come into BHX.

Sounds like the wind is really picking up out there again (midlands)

I might be wrong, but it looks like one approached from the NW and the other the SE, so neither direction helpful!

Paris one is at a much lower height so I think trying to land again

Looks like Paris might be trying to land in the opposite direction to its first attempt.