Amanda and Giovanni

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Apologies if there is already a thread but I couldn’t find one. What on earth has gone on between Amanda Abbington and Giovanni Pernice during Strictly?AA is apparently taking legal action against the BBC claiming she has PTSD.

Don't claim to know anything. Just disgusted

I think that your implication-to-the-point-of-accusation that AA is emotionally fragile and lacking confidence is without merit and somewhat outrageous.

Sources also appear to be coming from Gio's side ( see EvilRingahBitch's post above) . Or as she says, The Sun is making shit up. My point is - the 'sources' - real or otherwise - could be from either side - or anywhere.

"Just disgusted" - why? You don't have a single fact at your disposal!

I can see how seeing the horrors of war at close hand could be one of the most traumatic things a human can face, but it is outrageous when people think they can rank other people's trauma and dismiss other traumatic events or periods in someone strangers life, and based on nothing think they know more than you and your psychiatrist(s) do.

I hope life is better for you now, a lot better.

Disgusted at your attitude

I hope she finds peace and that strictly reflect on well-being of their contestants. I suffered work-place bullying, I didn't have PTSD as a result (I don't think), but it took me months and months to be able to function normally and years to feel safe and confident at (a different place of) work afterwards. The physical effects of extreme stress are quite profound and it isn't until you leave a situation you realise just how much harm has been done.

I imagine that if AA has been diagnosed with PTSD then it is for a reason that goes beyond having to work hard. I suspect she's not got where she has by being afraid of hard work or by thinking Strictly's a doddle.

Well said @wonderstuff. Who are any of us to speculate, judge, take imagined sides. We simply don't know what went on.

It's not weird for people who have genuinely suffered with this life changing diagnosis from traumatic events to question how it could possibly apply in this situation.

I would posit the notion that it is weird for people who have genuinely suffered with this life changing diagnosis from traumatic events to feel the need to cast aspersions about the experiences of another.

It isn’t trauma top trumps.

We don’t know what has happened and instead of dismissing it, perhaps it might be prudent to just wait for the truth to be told and thank our lucky stars that those of us who have experience of trauma didn’t have randoms telling us that we are snowflakes/can’t possibly be affected by whatever experience or trauma/ are difficult and that we can’t possibly have PTSD.

Wow. "Attitude"????

I don't have an "attitude" - I have consistently said that all of this is pure speculation. Baseless speculation.

Now that is "disgusting"!!

Dance teachers can totally cause PTSD. I've seen it happen.

Think there was also Michelle Whatsername (sorry) from Ru Paul's Drag, she looked like such a perfectionist herself when she was on Strictly, or should I say "they"? Well she/they used to give Gio daggers, real sidelong looks as if she/they could punch him.

Michelle Visage you mean. Definitely a woman and no shrinking violet.

Did the BBC punish her for being GC by putting her on with Gio? Pure speculation, but hardly the conspiracy theory of the decade.

Mumsnet at its finest here.
Man with several people who have expressed he is difficult, older woman tackles it - she must be making it up!
It's documented that people find him difficult to work with. More than once. Maybe she is just finally taking action

Think Gio partnered Ashley Roberts in 2018 too, did they reach the final of Strictly?

@Over40Overdating I am sort of relieved to hear your description and experience, I totally got this from her not just on Strictly but have struggled to articulate it to anyone as anything tangible- something in my gut just tells me she's trouble/ troubled, manipulative and maybe narcissistic traits- maybe I've just known people similar.
I really did try to like her and I did think she was a great dancer but if she really has been traumatised then this slow drip rumours to the tabloid press behaviour, damaging someone's character seems like a strange way to approach it.

@AnonnyMouseDave The BBC did not try to punish AA for her GC views by pairing her with someone they thought might bully her to the point of quitting the show and suing them.
Do you understand how ridiculous you make the GC community sound when you post things like this?

Agree with all of this!

Totally agree with this, so much is expected of the pros and the Annabelle stuff was uncomfortable at times.
If you think about it the pros are like athletes they have given their entire lives since childhood to training to compete with like minded and equally driven people- to be expected to have the skills of a dancer in so many disciplines along with counselling and life coaching skills is a very big ask and we never hear of them missing their families etc.
Of course couples are going to clash but ultimately if you want to win or come out of it a brilliant dancer then surely you are all in for blood, sweat and tears.

@BlackAmericanoNoSugar this is the likeliest scenario.

Who makes the decision? One individual? A group of people at a table? The idea that around that table there were a few people setting up her up for a fall because of their passionate belief that TERFs are evil, and they formed part of the decision making, is pure speculation, but neither is it impossible. The BBC is one of the more TQ+ of all UK institutions and that's saying a lot.

I'm not suggesting that there's an explicit BBC policy to bully anyone GC who goes on BBC 1, but the idea that no BBC staff have ulterior motives and push bad scenarios, especially when they are trying to create drama for TV, is pretty far fetched!