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Parents to be asked to solve school attendance crisis

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noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 11:44

There is an article in the Times about the current school attendance crisis. It cannot be overstated how awful the attendance crisis is. Pupils, particularly disadvantaged pupils, are staying away from school in much larger numbers, and for more days than before covid.

It says that lockdowns broke the contract between parents and schools which said that school attendance was compulsory.

It blames parents for keeping their children home when they have a minor illness or are slightly anxious about school.

It quotes Bridget Phillipson, Shadow Education Secretary as saying "If I were secretary of state, I’d be sending a very clear message to parents that every day at school matters, and that irresponsible parents who don’t care about sending their kids to school are harming other kids’ life chances, not just their own"

(Whereas current Education Secretary Gillian) "Keegan will expand a programme that gives children skipping school an attendance mentor who could drive or walk youngsters from their home to school in the morning or negotiate with head teachers on their behalf. She said: “Persistent absence is a hangover from the pandemic affecting schools around the world. Schools and the government cannot do this alone.

“Families play a big part in attendance and parents have a legal duty to make sure their children are at school. I know it can be hard to get children out of the door, especially when they are feeling a bit anxious or have a mild cough or cold, so we must rebuild the social contract between parents and schools and make sure everyone plays their part.”

While lockdowns are brought up, what is not mentioned is the utter state schools were in between lockdowns and after lockdowns. Children were being supervised in halls rather than being taught due to lack of teachers who were ill (and this is still happening now due to inability to recruit). Lack of teachers meaning that kids get endless cover which can be largely a waste of time. Children who are anxious about attending school are expected to get on with it while teachers who are unable to cope with the poor behaviour of students are signed off with stress. The experience of children in schools during and since covid can be extraordinarily shit.

Attendance is much lower in pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds. Child poverty is not mentioned - I was reading about a child who couldn't attend school because her mother needed to use the one pair of shoes they shared. Other children are needed to look after younger siblings while parents work because they can't afford childcare. How will this be solved by sending a car around?

But we also know that schools in disadvantaged areas are more likely to struggle to hire staff. What is the point in a child attending school when they don't have teachers? How will Keegan and Phillipson argue that one?

This bit is the most worrying:

"A Labour government, Phillipson said, would place more emphasis on absenteeism as part of the Ofsted inspection framework, with schools compelled to produce an annual report on attendance, off-rolling (removing a pupil without using a permanent exclusion) and safeguarding. Schools are required to submit weekly attendance records to the Department for Education but absenteeism does not have its own Ofsted criteria, instead falling under a broader category of “behaviour and attitudes”.
These reports would affect the Ofsted rating given to schools, which would also take into account the progress they have made in shrinking the attainment gap between disadvantaged pupils and their more affluent peers"

Linking an Ofsted grading to attendance will just doom schools in disadvantaged areas to low Ofsted grades at a time when Ofsted had just started to recognise that grading a school based on disadvantage was a bad idea.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

Bridget Phillipson: Parents must save lockdown’s lost generation

The shadow education secretary takes aim at absenteeism as a poll reveals that one in four parents don’t think their child has to go to school each day

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

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AllProperTeaIsTheft · 09/01/2024 20:41

Some teachers are convinced they were working harder than ever but that doesn’t align with the experiences of many parents.

Well obviously everyone's experience doesn't align, because it was different in different schools. Some teachers were working really hard. Some weren't. But none of that was really within the teachers' power to control. The headteachers / SLTs decided what their school was and wasn't going to deliver during lockdowns. Surely you don't think classroom teachers got to decide that?

I always find it baffling when parents blame either teachers en masse or individual teachers for things that are school policy. We don't get to just ignore our employer and do whatever we like, you know!

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FrippEnos · 09/01/2024 21:05

Some teachers are convinced they were working harder than ever but that doesn’t align with the experiences of many parents.

I have no doubt that you could swap the words teachers and parents around and the experiences would still be the same.

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solsticelove · 09/01/2024 21:20

And the blame game continues….

The whole system is clearly dysfunctional for all involved 😞

Hereinthismoment · 09/01/2024 21:23

FrippEnos · 09/01/2024 21:05

Some teachers are convinced they were working harder than ever but that doesn’t align with the experiences of many parents.

I have no doubt that you could swap the words teachers and parents around and the experiences would still be the same.

Some parents were convinced they were working harder than ever but that didn’t align with the experience of many teachers.

Sort of but it doesn’t work as a comparison.

@AllProperTeaIsTheft - I know. I definitely wasn’t working hard but I was very clearly told what I could and couldn’t do. The point is our perceptions vary.

Workworkandmoreworknow · 09/01/2024 21:36

They endlessly prioritised their own agenda long after everyone else who faces the public was back to work. The excuses were flimsy and laughable.And as soon as kids were settled back in, the strikes began

What was 'their own agenda'? Doesn't occur to you that teachers had a far deeper understanding of how schools work than the great British public? No teachers or their families were themselves vulnerable to covid? We went back to work in September 2020. No strikes till 2023 Confused

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 21:52

I still blame those twats who insisted schools were fine from Sept-Dec 2020 for schools closing in Jan 2021. If something had been done properly about the covid running riot around them then maybe they wouldn't have had to close. People preferred to bleat that kids didn't spread covid and pretend it was all fine when it really wasn't.

When I think back to the chaos of that first term, with the madness of the isolations determined by seating plan which did bog-all to stop covid spreading because they were all crammed together in corridors, the half kids in half kids out on a regular rotation, the lack of teachers and the rest of it, one wonders whether much learning went on at all.

I think it's entirely possible that the 'you must be in school' social contract was more damaged by the schools being open but not really open because kids were in and out, teachers were in and out, schools were closing due to lack of staff to particular year groups and so on that that showed that school could be open and kids could be in, but you were at home for a couple of weeks and came back and no one said anything that made it seem more open to taking time off. Attendance by Christmas in some areas was about 20%.

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solsticelove · 09/01/2024 22:48

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the system was broken long before covid came along. The lockdowns just shone a very bright light on it all.

The attendance issue is a just a red herring. Attendance and behaviour aren’t the real problem, they are SIGNALS that something is wrong with the system.

School today is a place of pressure and anxiety. A place of testing and exams and very little else. A sausage factory. Not to mention a bit prison-like. The random people posting on here about ‘resilience’ and ‘shit parenting’ and ‘use contraception’ have NO clue what school today is like.

48wheaties · 09/01/2024 22:50

solsticelove · 09/01/2024 22:48

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the system was broken long before covid came along. The lockdowns just shone a very bright light on it all.

The attendance issue is a just a red herring. Attendance and behaviour aren’t the real problem, they are SIGNALS that something is wrong with the system.

School today is a place of pressure and anxiety. A place of testing and exams and very little else. A sausage factory. Not to mention a bit prison-like. The random people posting on here about ‘resilience’ and ‘shit parenting’ and ‘use contraception’ have NO clue what school today is like.

Spot on.

FannyFarts · 10/01/2024 00:20

solsticelove · 09/01/2024 22:48

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the system was broken long before covid came along. The lockdowns just shone a very bright light on it all.

The attendance issue is a just a red herring. Attendance and behaviour aren’t the real problem, they are SIGNALS that something is wrong with the system.

School today is a place of pressure and anxiety. A place of testing and exams and very little else. A sausage factory. Not to mention a bit prison-like. The random people posting on here about ‘resilience’ and ‘shit parenting’ and ‘use contraception’ have NO clue what school today is like.

Yes this

Trilateralcommission · 10/01/2024 01:16

solsticelove · 09/01/2024 22:48

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the system was broken long before covid came along. The lockdowns just shone a very bright light on it all.

The attendance issue is a just a red herring. Attendance and behaviour aren’t the real problem, they are SIGNALS that something is wrong with the system.

School today is a place of pressure and anxiety. A place of testing and exams and very little else. A sausage factory. Not to mention a bit prison-like. The random people posting on here about ‘resilience’ and ‘shit parenting’ and ‘use contraception’ have NO clue what school today is like.

John Gatto taylor basically summarized that they are basic factories of social engineering for society

FrippEnos · 10/01/2024 04:59

Hereinthismoment

It works as a comparison when you look at terms such as "Teachers didn't want kids to go back", "Teachers didn't do any work", Teachers think as themselves as the most hard done by".
Normally posted by people that don't have a clue what went on in schools, are ignoring what went on in schools, are writing their own narrative or in the case of many just plain goady fuckers that want to wind people up.

I can tell you from experience that for each class that I taught/sent work to I received 10% back (as a maximum) 3 out of 30 (all mark with feedback) and on return to class many children said that their parents CBA to get them to do work.
A favourite response from parents claiming that their child had no work after letters and emails explaining where it was and how to get in touch with teachers was 'my children says that they weren't set any work'.

When we were finally allowed to chase up pupils that didn't return work, the most frequent response was 'but they have been upstairs working'.
A lot of parents in my school had no idea what their kids were up to when they were at home.

That my experience doesn't match those of some parents doesn't invalidate their experience but neither does theirs invalidate mine.

And for every post that says teachers didn't want kids to go back I will reply pointing out the BS that it is.

Manthide · 10/01/2024 09:09

Thankfully I've never had an issue with any of my dc's attendance either pre or post covid but I can see in my dd3's school (year 11) that parents seem to have become a bit blasé about attendance eg got back late from a school trip so don't go in the next day. We are on UC and dd goes to a private school.

LittleMyTopKnot · 10/01/2024 09:20

I think it would be interesting to do a report of parent interaction during Covid and socioeconomic group / vulnerable families.

I think many children struggled
a) usually on free meals - no longer available.
b) parents working all hours (Tesco, etc), children alone in flat (very common according to my sons football coach - wife is a teacher in a deprived area)
c) parents unable to interact- I spoke to an Uber driver who was in tears over it. His non-English speaking wife was unable to help with ANY work. He was working all hours to feed the family and tried to help his children late at nigh.
d) parents not having the confidence to help their children
e) parents in key worker positions who thought that sending in their children would actually help (brother in law did, his DD watched cartoons the entire time, barely got a single worksheet).

I suspect that children in families described above did disproportionately bad during Covid and that those children never will catch up.

many middle class families did much better I would suspect - I would be delighted to be wrong here. I believe that Covid and strikes shafted the most vulnerable.

I was not working during Covid and oversaw every single piece of work for DC, based on that (and subsequent deterioration in performance once back in school) have now taken the decision that my judgment in terms of academics (and absences) supersedes the teachers.

I understand that all teachers are too busy to take the time to have a 5 min conversation about how to work together to enable me to support their academics. I accept this, but don’t expect me to send my DC in when I think they have a cold and should be at home.

Mammillaria · 10/01/2024 09:24

I felt so sorry for teachers during lockdown. They were never trained to deliver teaching remotely and were completely unprepared. I think the children who slipped behind have never been given the time or resources to catch up and I hold the government, not teachers, accountable for this.

Anecdote time... I had DC in years 5 and 6 during the first lockdown and was working from home full time. I was unable to do my job and provide the level of parental support required for 2 children to complete the set work. God knows I tried. I don't blame the teachers - their entire curriculum and lesson planning had been based on classroom learning. Without the teacher/classroom interaction/differentiation I found that a lot of the work set tended towards 'busy work'. In the end I exempted my children from any work that couldn't be completed independently and developed our own 'curriculum' focused simply on English and maths with a bit of French thrown in. I also hired a tutor for the youngest (3 hours/week via Zoom) to identify and work on any gaps in her English and maths. I 'taught' them in 3 x 30 minute chunks across the day plus about 15 minutes listening to them read in the evening (as in our normal pre-covid lives). I did encourage them to use educational apps and complete set work but to be honest they spent the vast majority of rest of their day playing with friends on Minecraft and their teachers would have had very little if any work back from them.

The point of that long anecdote is that my DC did not slip behind academically, in fact the youngest improved significantly. I had the educational skills, home set up and financial resources to make the best of the situation. Many didn't, and I don't think there was much their teachers could do remotely to help them. I think many of those children will never catch up.

Manthide · 10/01/2024 09:32

angela1952 · 09/01/2024 14:51

My daughter went to an independent day school in London some years ago and even there they were struggling to find science teachers though they were offering above average salaries. Heaven knows what it is like now in the state sector.

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Dd3 goes to a private school and her computer science teacher is SO bad! Her physics teacher isn't much better but his main problem is he can't control the class not his lack of knowledge. The computer science teacher seems to struggle with basic principles (I don't know anything about cs but my dd thinks I could do a better job). My sil has offered to fill in the gaps ( dd is y11) as he teaches it at Cambridge.

noblegiraffe · 10/01/2024 09:33

a) usually on free meals - no longer available.

Schools worked their arses off to feed kids on FSM, to the extent of driving around delivering food in the early days till the govt stepped up.

Do you not remember the Marcus Rashford campaign to continue the vouchers in the school holidays when the government voted against feeding FSM kids? They had to u-turn each time.

I understand that all teachers are too busy to take the time to have a 5 min conversation about how to work together to enable me to support their academics.

It's called Parents' Evening.

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Araminta1003 · 10/01/2024 09:41

@Manthide - so you are on UC and your DD goes to a private school (for free on a bursary?) but you are not that impressed with the private school? Nor the parents there?

Manthide · 10/01/2024 09:44

LittleMyTopKnot · 10/01/2024 09:20

I think it would be interesting to do a report of parent interaction during Covid and socioeconomic group / vulnerable families.

I think many children struggled
a) usually on free meals - no longer available.
b) parents working all hours (Tesco, etc), children alone in flat (very common according to my sons football coach - wife is a teacher in a deprived area)
c) parents unable to interact- I spoke to an Uber driver who was in tears over it. His non-English speaking wife was unable to help with ANY work. He was working all hours to feed the family and tried to help his children late at nigh.
d) parents not having the confidence to help their children
e) parents in key worker positions who thought that sending in their children would actually help (brother in law did, his DD watched cartoons the entire time, barely got a single worksheet).

I suspect that children in families described above did disproportionately bad during Covid and that those children never will catch up.

many middle class families did much better I would suspect - I would be delighted to be wrong here. I believe that Covid and strikes shafted the most vulnerable.

I was not working during Covid and oversaw every single piece of work for DC, based on that (and subsequent deterioration in performance once back in school) have now taken the decision that my judgment in terms of academics (and absences) supersedes the teachers.

I understand that all teachers are too busy to take the time to have a 5 min conversation about how to work together to enable me to support their academics. I accept this, but don’t expect me to send my DC in when I think they have a cold and should be at home.

My younger 2dc were in years 7 and 12 during the first covid lockdown. They were entitled to free school meals though as they both went to private schools I had to beg the schools to give us money (they got free meals at school but technically only children at state schools are entitled to fsm). The schools obviously wouldn't give monies for the holidays - state school pupils got a voucher. I got our local councillor involved and did get a voucher eventually. ( We're still on UC but no longer qualify for fsm).
The schools themselves in terms of education did very well. Ds's one was amazing. Neither fell back academically but socially was a different matter. Dd3 is definitely more anxious than in her siblings in social situations.

Manthide · 10/01/2024 09:48

Araminta1003 · 10/01/2024 09:41

@Manthide - so you are on UC and your DD goes to a private school (for free on a bursary?) but you are not that impressed with the private school? Nor the parents there?

Free on a bursary. The parents are fine but I am surprised how many let their dc miss the odd day at school for seeming trivial reasons. Most of the teachers are excellent, two are not - one is the very opposite. The school provided a decent education through covid though not as good as ds's private school. That might have been because he was in year 12/13 so was prioritised.

Tumbleweed101 · 10/01/2024 09:50

My child has good attendance but I feel my attitude towards her going has changed since lockdowns (although I'd hopefully not make her aware of that). I'm more tempted to keep her off in bad weather, for example (long rural bus journey) than I would have been prior to lockdowns. Also she constantly complains about behaviour issues in the class stopping her from learning anything and always having cover staff for certain subjects so she feels the lesson is pointless. She's in year 10 so a crucial year in her education.

She is my fourth child and I've never known it as bad as it is now I feel sorry for children just starting their education journey with things so unsettled through the system. The government really need to step up and improve support for children, teachers and education.

noblegiraffe · 10/01/2024 09:55

Also she constantly complains about behaviour issues in the class stopping her from learning anything and always having cover staff for certain subjects so she feels the lesson is pointless

She's probably right. Unfortunately the govt don't seem to be acknowledging this. They say it's important to go to school but don't care about what happens to the kids once they are there, so long as they're ticked on the register.

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cardibach · 10/01/2024 10:05

Excellent here from the NEU - parents here who feel school staff (and teacher unions) are part of the problem or standing against you - have a listen to what he says, all the way through. He is saying exactly what you are all saying here. www.instagram.com/reel/C14uW-CtpSQ/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

angela1952 · 10/01/2024 10:10

Manthide · 10/01/2024 09:32

Dd3 goes to a private school and her computer science teacher is SO bad! Her physics teacher isn't much better but his main problem is he can't control the class not his lack of knowledge. The computer science teacher seems to struggle with basic principles (I don't know anything about cs but my dd thinks I could do a better job). My sil has offered to fill in the gaps ( dd is y11) as he teaches it at Cambridge.

I think they’re often newly qualified with little experience of how to control a class. Must be even more difficult in a comprehensive, though many children enjoy cs so it’s surprising if they’re kicking off in a relatively tame school.

Araminta1003 · 10/01/2024 10:21

@Manthide - “Free on a bursary. The parents are fine but I am surprised how many let their dc miss the odd day at school for seeming trivial reasons. Most of the teachers are excellent, two are not - one is the very opposite. The school provided a decent education through covid though not as good as ds's private school. That might have been because he was in year 12/13 so was prioritised.”

I wonder whether at private school keeping children home is linked to more of the parent group working from home and some being so rich, not both parents have to work in the first place.
I would be emailing about the teacher who is struggling. Having said that though at DS’ grammar most of the boys who are very computer savvy dodged the Computer Science GCSE and just did the A level and the coding clubs. They seem to not like the CS GCSE for some reason. Dull/pointless are terms I have heard.