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Parents to be asked to solve school attendance crisis

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noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 11:44

There is an article in the Times about the current school attendance crisis. It cannot be overstated how awful the attendance crisis is. Pupils, particularly disadvantaged pupils, are staying away from school in much larger numbers, and for more days than before covid.

It says that lockdowns broke the contract between parents and schools which said that school attendance was compulsory.

It blames parents for keeping their children home when they have a minor illness or are slightly anxious about school.

It quotes Bridget Phillipson, Shadow Education Secretary as saying "If I were secretary of state, I’d be sending a very clear message to parents that every day at school matters, and that irresponsible parents who don’t care about sending their kids to school are harming other kids’ life chances, not just their own"

(Whereas current Education Secretary Gillian) "Keegan will expand a programme that gives children skipping school an attendance mentor who could drive or walk youngsters from their home to school in the morning or negotiate with head teachers on their behalf. She said: “Persistent absence is a hangover from the pandemic affecting schools around the world. Schools and the government cannot do this alone.

“Families play a big part in attendance and parents have a legal duty to make sure their children are at school. I know it can be hard to get children out of the door, especially when they are feeling a bit anxious or have a mild cough or cold, so we must rebuild the social contract between parents and schools and make sure everyone plays their part.”

While lockdowns are brought up, what is not mentioned is the utter state schools were in between lockdowns and after lockdowns. Children were being supervised in halls rather than being taught due to lack of teachers who were ill (and this is still happening now due to inability to recruit). Lack of teachers meaning that kids get endless cover which can be largely a waste of time. Children who are anxious about attending school are expected to get on with it while teachers who are unable to cope with the poor behaviour of students are signed off with stress. The experience of children in schools during and since covid can be extraordinarily shit.

Attendance is much lower in pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds. Child poverty is not mentioned - I was reading about a child who couldn't attend school because her mother needed to use the one pair of shoes they shared. Other children are needed to look after younger siblings while parents work because they can't afford childcare. How will this be solved by sending a car around?

But we also know that schools in disadvantaged areas are more likely to struggle to hire staff. What is the point in a child attending school when they don't have teachers? How will Keegan and Phillipson argue that one?

This bit is the most worrying:

"A Labour government, Phillipson said, would place more emphasis on absenteeism as part of the Ofsted inspection framework, with schools compelled to produce an annual report on attendance, off-rolling (removing a pupil without using a permanent exclusion) and safeguarding. Schools are required to submit weekly attendance records to the Department for Education but absenteeism does not have its own Ofsted criteria, instead falling under a broader category of “behaviour and attitudes”.
These reports would affect the Ofsted rating given to schools, which would also take into account the progress they have made in shrinking the attainment gap between disadvantaged pupils and their more affluent peers"

Linking an Ofsted grading to attendance will just doom schools in disadvantaged areas to low Ofsted grades at a time when Ofsted had just started to recognise that grading a school based on disadvantage was a bad idea.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

Bridget Phillipson: Parents must save lockdown’s lost generation

The shadow education secretary takes aim at absenteeism as a poll reveals that one in four parents don’t think their child has to go to school each day

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

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borntobequiet · 09/01/2024 16:51

However, there are a ton of STEM graduates from places like China who will probably happily teach in UK state schools in return for visas.

Happily? I think not. The culture shock would be enormous.

cardibach · 09/01/2024 16:54

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 16:47

tbf - your view as a colleague may be somewhat different as a parent

I am a parent. My DD went to a school I taught in. I assure you colleagues have an accurate view of teachers’ competence.

Araminta1003 · 09/01/2024 17:03

Trust me when I say the academy trusts will be hiring Chinese/Hong Kong Stem graduates. It has already started, especially in Maths.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

justasking111 · 09/01/2024 17:15

There's a private secondary school near us Chinese owned and run but the teachers weren't when they reopened.

Pollythenurse · 09/01/2024 17:37

Whatever happened to resilience...

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 17:37

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 16:15

thank you answering

i have asked the Op a few times whether she has ever been satisfied in the profession and, if so, when but ignored so i appreciate your response

Yes, I will continue ignoring your personal questions, particularly since you have been so rude to me.

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noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 17:42

Araminta1003 · 09/01/2024 17:03

Trust me when I say the academy trusts will be hiring Chinese/Hong Kong Stem graduates. It has already started, especially in Maths.

There's a new scheme with relocation bonuses for Physics and MFL teachers for teachers from South Africa, Ghana, Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Ukraine, Singapore, Jamaica, India, and Hong Kong.

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plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 17:47

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 17:37

Yes, I will continue ignoring your personal questions, particularly since you have been so rude to me.

gosh…. where? when i asked how you found the time to post so much during the day and be a teacher. You clarified you were part time. heavens!

Araminta1003 · 09/01/2024 17:49

One of my DC has a female mathematician from Hong Kong this year. She has a phd in Maths! First he complained that he couldn’t understand her accent and about all the homework she set. Now he is really enjoying it and flying.

Pumpkinpie1 · 09/01/2024 17:54

The government is obsessed with tests. Kids don’t enjoy learning because they are taught to pass tests. This destroys mental health . Until government realises it needs to let teachers teach instead of test attendees will be an issue. They are not allowing our kids to be kids

solsticelove · 09/01/2024 17:55

So here we are again.
Another thread all about what is wrong with the whole education system (by that I mean every issue outlined on here) and yet again it has turned into a bit of a bun fight between parents/families and schools/teachers.
We all need to rise up and shout louder. Someone else said it up-thread let’s be more like the French ✊🏻
So ideas for coming together for our children… rally? Petition? A letter we can all cut and paste to our MPs? I don’t know…

Araminta1003 · 09/01/2024 18:07

Happy to write to both education secretaries. Do you think they will listen?

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/dec/26/first-uk-wide-hybrid-school-offering-home-and-class-learning-to-open-in-2024

Hopefully we will start seeing hybrid schools for milder Sen and school refusers across all major cities, at least, in the next 5 years.

The future is an AI personalised teacher for each child, 30 years away?

First UK-wide hybrid school offering home and class learning to open in 2024

Aimed at school refusers and those not suited to mainstream, Duke’s Education model will provide virtual and classroom learning

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/dec/26/first-uk-wide-hybrid-school-offering-home-and-class-learning-to-open-in-2024

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 09/01/2024 18:28

Jellycatspyjamas · 09/01/2024 00:04

Schools do provide for and value children as individuals- the fact you don’t know this is probably due to the fact you and your child are hardly there. The more you keep them off, the worse it will get and wider the gaps will be in your child’s learning. As long as you point the blaming finger at the schools though, then everything is fine 🙄
Why don’t you ask the school if you can go in and try to support your child whilst they’re there?

All schools? All teachers?

My DS was self harming aged 6 due to the behaviour of his teacher towards him. She had no understanding of developmental trauma and, in all honesty, no sense of empathy or care towards him. A child that had no behavioural issues before or indeed since was so anxious about going into her class he was scratching himself to the point of drawing blood. The only good thing about Covid was that his time in her class was cut short.

He went into school but there were gaps in his learning because anxious children simply don’t have the capacity to learn. And I wasn’t about to ask the school if I could go in and support him in class because a professional should be able to manage their behaviour without parental supervision, and oddly enough I had my own job to do without supervising a teacher doing theirs.

To be honest, I actually think it has reached the point where schools can't cater to all individuals in the way that is needed. There are a lot of competing needs and not enough funding. Class sizes are getting larger and larger, there's less and less SEN/SEMH/Pastoral support available...

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 09/01/2024 18:29

Araminta1003 · 09/01/2024 17:03

Trust me when I say the academy trusts will be hiring Chinese/Hong Kong Stem graduates. It has already started, especially in Maths.

Why would they even want to come and teach in the UK state system though?

I'm sure schools might want to recruit them, but I'm not convinced they will want to come over in large numbers, and that if they do, they will stay.

Disallusioned · 09/01/2024 18:32

With the new working visa requirements will they even reach the minimum income threshold for visas and be prepared to leave their family behind?

Workworkandmoreworknow · 09/01/2024 18:38

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 17:42

There's a new scheme with relocation bonuses for Physics and MFL teachers for teachers from South Africa, Ghana, Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Ukraine, Singapore, Jamaica, India, and Hong Kong.

Hmm… I taught MFL in one of those countries some years ago precisely because the country itself was struggling to recruit because anyone who could was leaving for the US/Canada/UK as soon as possible It doesn’t sit well with me that these poorer countries are stripped of their own talent to plug our gaps. We need a better solution than just trawling the world for anyone who will come and put up with shit until they are burnt out and can no longer manage it.

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 18:38

Disallusioned · 09/01/2024 18:32

With the new working visa requirements will they even reach the minimum income threshold for visas and be prepared to leave their family behind?

The minimum salary requirement won't apply to teachers.

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TeenDivided · 09/01/2024 19:12

Workworkandmoreworknow · 09/01/2024 18:38

Hmm… I taught MFL in one of those countries some years ago precisely because the country itself was struggling to recruit because anyone who could was leaving for the US/Canada/UK as soon as possible It doesn’t sit well with me that these poorer countries are stripped of their own talent to plug our gaps. We need a better solution than just trawling the world for anyone who will come and put up with shit until they are burnt out and can no longer manage it.

I agree.

Plus, for some pupils with processing issues having a teacher with a strong accent can act as a real barrier to learning which is more likely to happen with an overseas teacher.

Jellycatspyjamas · 09/01/2024 19:15

To be honest, I actually think it has reached the point where schools can't cater to all individuals in the way that is needed.

My DS had a need not to be screamed and shouted at in class when his handwriting (age 6) wasn’t to her standard, a need not to be singled out and mocked by the teacher when he couldn’t pronounce a word correctly due to a known speech impairment. These aren’t catering to a child’s needs, they’re very basic skills and are about acceptance and respect for children. And yes those behaviours were eventually witnessed by other staff members and deemed to be unmerited and inappropriate, I’m not being precious here.

FannyFarts · 09/01/2024 19:18

My children’s schools provided lack lustre work and minimal generic contact during lockdowns while my husband and I worked silly hours in keyworker roles. On returning to school my son developed severe social anxiety. Sadly the head of year 9, a cocky PE teacher with a dire understanding of mental health and a deeply disrespectful manner pressurised my son to attend, causing his mental health to implode. What my son actually needed was a child centred approach to attendance, work sent home, access to favourite sessions initially, no homework, learning in friendship groups, less pressure but non of this was possible and in the end (due to non attendance) we were forced by the school to deregister. I have since found out that my son was just one of many children with anxiety pressurised to off-roll from this particular school. I have also learnt that the LA/Ofsted disapprove of schools off-rolling. My own experience has highlighted just how poorly equipped schools are to meet the needs of their pupils. Schools are held back by many things, finances, a narrow academic curriculum, lack of mental health support, delayed SEN assessments, lack of SEN funding and a rigid limited approach to inclusion which is the polar opposite of child centred.

Meadowy · 09/01/2024 19:38

It is awful that that there are so many children are struggling with poor mental health.

But I read the reasons that kids at my school are off and for every one that is off for mental health reasons there are multiple children off with very minor illnesses or tiredness or on holiday. This is a fact. It is also untrue that missing a day for a bit of a sniffle now and then has no impact. Your dc might tell you that they were ‘just learning about the Tudors’ but that’s because kids tend to tell their parents about the content rather than skills/concepts. So parents don’t realise that they’ve actually been learning how evaluate evidence, or learning how to plan an essay, or learning how to structure an argument or practising writing clear explanations. Lessons are always part of a sequence and missing one will have an effect - missing the introduction, the middle (with content and skills), the end with revision, assessment and feedback. Which bit is the best to miss? It would be better to miss none even if the dc didn’t quite feel 100% that day (I am not talking about vomiting or temperatures!!). I often have parents requesting work will their children are off. On the whole if they are too ill for school they should be resting not working from home (obviously anxiety or post long illness/surgery is different).

FrippEnos · 09/01/2024 19:53

Flamango

The Jan 2021 was unforgivable. Teachers should have been fighting tooth and nail to have children back in school whilst the pubs and restaurants were opened - instead there were endless news reports about how teachers didn’t consider it safe, the goalposts were constantly moved by the unions, and even on here were endless advice threads about how to submit some sort of form about how you were declining to work on environmental health grounds. We all saw that, everyone on MN during those two years saw plainly that teachers did not want students back in the classroom.

The BS keeps on rolling in.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 09/01/2024 19:56

Flamango · 09/01/2024 09:24

The March 2020 lockdowns were inevitable.
The Jan 2021 was unforgivable. Teachers should have been fighting tooth and nail to have children back in school whilst the pubs and restaurants were opened - instead there were endless news reports about how teachers didn’t consider it safe, the goalposts were constantly moved by the unions, and even on here were endless advice threads about how to submit some sort of form about how you were declining to work on environmental health grounds. We all saw that, everyone on MN during those two years saw plainly that teachers did not want students back in the classroom.
And the sub text running through the entire debacle was that it was a sort of
government protest, a chance to say “fuck
you”, a sort of “oh you need us now do you?” attitude.
I expected teachers to be on the side of children and they were not. They endlessly prioritised their own agenda long after everyone else who faces the public was back to work. The excuses were flimsy and laughable.
And as soon as kids were settled back in, the strikes began.
Of course there were some amazing teachers and amazing schools. A secondary school here let pupils self identify as vulnerable - essentially, if you felt happier at school than at home, then you were welcome in.
But generalising, as an industry, as one half of the social contract, teachers made it clear they didn’t want to be there particularly. So now, if I don’t want my kids to be there particularly, I take them out. I do it rarely, but I do do it now, when it suits. If teachers didn’t care about my kids when they were most vulnerable, then why on earth should I care about their stats?

Are you on the side of your employer?

Would you prioritise your employer’s welfare over your own? Especially when acting in governmental advice.

Teschers are paid a shit salary for a shit job.

Hereinthismoment · 09/01/2024 20:05

There is definitely a difference in perspective.

I notice this on threads about remote working. Posters who are WFH and are happy insist they are far more productive at home. Fine, except this doesn’t marry with what’s being largely reported.

A recent thread about childminders was similar. All the childminders who posted were horrified at the thought they were any less than amazing. Most of the replies agreed they had seen childminders be less than attentive when out in the wild if you like.

So here are the same arguments about covid. Some teachers are convinced they were working harder than ever but that doesn’t align with the experiences of many parents.

I don’t have the answers here. School can be brutal for a lot of children.

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 20:34

Towards the end of the first lockdown when the kids had been off for months I remember one parent in my DC's class moaning that the teacher hadn't marked a single piece of work all lockdown. Lazy etc. We were all baffled because our kids were all getting regular feedback.

Anyway, she hadn't seen the right folder on google classrooms where all the marked work was uploaded.

I do wonder if she was on MN.

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