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Parents to be asked to solve school attendance crisis

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noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 11:44

There is an article in the Times about the current school attendance crisis. It cannot be overstated how awful the attendance crisis is. Pupils, particularly disadvantaged pupils, are staying away from school in much larger numbers, and for more days than before covid.

It says that lockdowns broke the contract between parents and schools which said that school attendance was compulsory.

It blames parents for keeping their children home when they have a minor illness or are slightly anxious about school.

It quotes Bridget Phillipson, Shadow Education Secretary as saying "If I were secretary of state, I’d be sending a very clear message to parents that every day at school matters, and that irresponsible parents who don’t care about sending their kids to school are harming other kids’ life chances, not just their own"

(Whereas current Education Secretary Gillian) "Keegan will expand a programme that gives children skipping school an attendance mentor who could drive or walk youngsters from their home to school in the morning or negotiate with head teachers on their behalf. She said: “Persistent absence is a hangover from the pandemic affecting schools around the world. Schools and the government cannot do this alone.

“Families play a big part in attendance and parents have a legal duty to make sure their children are at school. I know it can be hard to get children out of the door, especially when they are feeling a bit anxious or have a mild cough or cold, so we must rebuild the social contract between parents and schools and make sure everyone plays their part.”

While lockdowns are brought up, what is not mentioned is the utter state schools were in between lockdowns and after lockdowns. Children were being supervised in halls rather than being taught due to lack of teachers who were ill (and this is still happening now due to inability to recruit). Lack of teachers meaning that kids get endless cover which can be largely a waste of time. Children who are anxious about attending school are expected to get on with it while teachers who are unable to cope with the poor behaviour of students are signed off with stress. The experience of children in schools during and since covid can be extraordinarily shit.

Attendance is much lower in pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds. Child poverty is not mentioned - I was reading about a child who couldn't attend school because her mother needed to use the one pair of shoes they shared. Other children are needed to look after younger siblings while parents work because they can't afford childcare. How will this be solved by sending a car around?

But we also know that schools in disadvantaged areas are more likely to struggle to hire staff. What is the point in a child attending school when they don't have teachers? How will Keegan and Phillipson argue that one?

This bit is the most worrying:

"A Labour government, Phillipson said, would place more emphasis on absenteeism as part of the Ofsted inspection framework, with schools compelled to produce an annual report on attendance, off-rolling (removing a pupil without using a permanent exclusion) and safeguarding. Schools are required to submit weekly attendance records to the Department for Education but absenteeism does not have its own Ofsted criteria, instead falling under a broader category of “behaviour and attitudes”.
These reports would affect the Ofsted rating given to schools, which would also take into account the progress they have made in shrinking the attainment gap between disadvantaged pupils and their more affluent peers"

Linking an Ofsted grading to attendance will just doom schools in disadvantaged areas to low Ofsted grades at a time when Ofsted had just started to recognise that grading a school based on disadvantage was a bad idea.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

Bridget Phillipson: Parents must save lockdown’s lost generation

The shadow education secretary takes aim at absenteeism as a poll reveals that one in four parents don’t think their child has to go to school each day

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

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plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 12:54

cardibach · 09/01/2024 12:21

Well, no. Because their own performance management is based on results, so they won’t favour anyone who doesn’t get them.
Look, I’m not saying all teachers are brilliant, obviously there’s a range. Or that all heads are crap and only interested in results. But on the whole, systems are in place to manage (via support or getting rid) of very poor teachers (and some who have the misfortune to be both expensive and a bit bolshy about things like, for eg, student welfare being more important than exam bottom lines). The bulk of issues with schools are systemic, resulting from underfunding and staffing issues as well as constant interference from government and the shit show that is ofsted/estyn.

oh come on. you can’t have your “unscrupulous management” working one way! 😂

cardibach · 09/01/2024 12:58

Agreed @angela1952
Now, can we be allowed to run the education system in this country? We seem to be well placed…

cardibach · 09/01/2024 13:00

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 12:54

oh come on. you can’t have your “unscrupulous management” working one way! 😂

I’m not. They want their own performance management to go well. To do this they need to be in budget (getting rid of expensive teachers helps), to be able to bully/cajole staff into doing more and more (getting rid of bloshy teachers whose experience tells them not to do unnecessary crap helps) and to get good exam results (getting rid of crap teachers helps).
It’s all the same thing.

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angela1952 · 09/01/2024 13:00

cardibach · 09/01/2024 12:58

Agreed @angela1952
Now, can we be allowed to run the education system in this country? We seem to be well placed…

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And maybe deal with uniforms?!

DemBonesDemBones · 09/01/2024 13:01

@TheThingIsYeah I'm sure you'd think the same of my family.

RocketKit · 09/01/2024 13:01

sassyclassyandsmartassy · 08/01/2024 18:38

Whilst I understand, to a degree, all the arguments put forward here about COVID and strikes, etc.

If you have a child that won’t go to school, what will happen long term about the possibility of them having a job and becoming a full functioning adult?

Genuine question.

Home education is perfectly legal, and home educated children can obtain qualifications just as schooled children can.

My DC are home educated and thriving.

cardibach · 09/01/2024 13:01

@angela1952 yes please! Bloody daft on the whole. I’ve always hated enforcing those rules (and tended to be a bit lax, which got me in trouble sometimes). I am currently doing a day a week in a college. No uniform. No problem.

angela1952 · 09/01/2024 13:04

cardibach · 09/01/2024 13:00

I’m not. They want their own performance management to go well. To do this they need to be in budget (getting rid of expensive teachers helps), to be able to bully/cajole staff into doing more and more (getting rid of bloshy teachers whose experience tells them not to do unnecessary crap helps) and to get good exam results (getting rid of crap teachers helps).
It’s all the same thing.

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My GD has just left one school where her form teacher was disinterested to say the least. She was fairly young so I imagine she was inexpensive, and she could not be bothered to deal with bullying within the class. She did not even bother to record incidents of actual injury due to bullying.

angela1952 · 09/01/2024 13:08

cardibach · 09/01/2024 13:01

@angela1952 yes please! Bloody daft on the whole. I’ve always hated enforcing those rules (and tended to be a bit lax, which got me in trouble sometimes). I am currently doing a day a week in a college. No uniform. No problem.

I've only ever taught adults so have been spared this rubbish. My children are now adult but we all remember the fights over which shoes to buy at the end of the summer holidays. My GC's current primary only require tops to be a particular colour which seems sensible and inexpensive - it takes me back to the 70's and 80's when our local primary followed the same rules. A priggish headmistress changed to an expensive uniform - and dismantled the phonetic reading scheme because she didn't think it worked.

Jellycatspyjamas · 09/01/2024 13:10

She was happy in her foster home and stayed there for over a year. She actually stayed at the same school she had previously attended so the staff were well aware of her situation. When she was adopted and changed school the new staff said that it was apparent that she had never even learnt to form letters correctly or the phonetic alphabet, even for her own name. She couldn't count or recognise numbers.

She may well have been happy in her foster placement however, to be in care her home conditions would have been pretty bad because thresholds for removal are high. Foster care is far from secure - they can decide to end placement at any time for any reason, there are regular reviews and more people than you’d like to think are very aware of your circumstances. There’s significant stigma which is felt by children. They aren’t little learning machines.

My DD was adopted age 6, she too couldn’t read, write or count past 10. She had the same foster placement for 3 years, she had been to school but simply was far too unsettled to learn. It took a good two years of consistent work at home and at school to settle her before she could really take things in.

Understanding developmental trauma means recognising it still impacts long after the child is removed, that removal itself is traumatic, that being unable to do x, y, and z is only a small part of a bigger picture that isn’t necessarily about the standard of teaching. That children need certainty, predictability and security to be able to learn.

cardibach · 09/01/2024 13:13

angela1952 · 09/01/2024 13:04

My GD has just left one school where her form teacher was disinterested to say the least. She was fairly young so I imagine she was inexpensive, and she could not be bothered to deal with bullying within the class. She did not even bother to record incidents of actual injury due to bullying.

Like I said, not all are excellent, that’s unrealistic. Posters were suggesting no teachers cared about SEND though, and that’s just not realistic/possible.

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 13:35

Re: teachers we are now literally in a situation where beggars can’t be choosers. Your kid has a shit maths teacher? Well, the alternative is no maths teacher. Heads are having to hire people that they wouldn’t normally even interview because they’re the only candidate. Or no one applies and they have to cover the class with some random teachers who have space on their timetable, or with daily supply.

I’ve said this before but it is now normal at my school to have sixth form classes having to teach themselves their A-levels for a prolonged period because we can’t get anyone to do it.

Lower down the school we can’t do that, so anyone with a pulse will be put in front of them.

Then you get (rightly) dissatisfied parents complaining the school is shit.

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cardibach · 09/01/2024 13:38

@noblegiraffe that’s probably a growing problem, to be honest. Before this heads moved people on. Now they may not. So I may be wrong about crap teachers not lasting these days.

euronorris · 09/01/2024 13:43

There's still so much illness about though, that last year my DD's attendance was below 95% and we got a few letters home. But she literally caught every bloody thing going, and most likely from her school mates as well. Between September and Christmas 2022 alone, she had a nasty virus (with high temp for several days), Covid, V&D and then Strep throat!! She wasn't well enough to go in on any of those occasions, but even if we had sent her in, the school would have only called us to come and collect her because of the symptoms she had.

Getting those letters just wound me up. I was keeping her off for sniffles. I was following their rules. And we were doing everything we could to keep her healthy (good diet, exercise, fresh air, multivitamins etc), but there was just so much about.

Attendance in her whole class, throughout the year, was pretty poor as they were all just passing germs between themselves. At one point, literally half the class was out with chicken pox.

justasking111 · 09/01/2024 13:52

The education system was designed over a hundred years ago. When you had mother, father, and school working hand in glove. School would complain, parents would have hit the roof. Child bucked up their ideas and knuckled down.

Today you have parents threatening teachers.

The state system is broken.

Frankly schools ought to report these parents for abuse and see them in court.

Every day companies tell us that our calls are recorded. The same should apply to schools.

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 13:55

cardibach · 09/01/2024 13:38

@noblegiraffe that’s probably a growing problem, to be honest. Before this heads moved people on. Now they may not. So I may be wrong about crap teachers not lasting these days.

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Teacher supply has become a massive problem over the last few years, and is only getting worse as the government misses recruitment targets (by 50% this year!)

My school never used to have problems recruiting as we are near a couple of training providers. Now though we are missing maths teachers, science teachers, can’t get computer science teachers for love nor money… So we get in supply but they’re supply because they don’t want the hassle of permanent contracts you get ones who refuse to plan or mark or deal with parents and because we’re desperate we have to take it while we try to find someone permanent. Then parents complain about lack of marking or homework so it falls to others in the department to take up the slack.

Parents can’t know the half of it or they’d be marching on the streets. Kids are so used to cover lessons and supply teachers they probably don’t even mention it.

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euronorris · 09/01/2024 14:05

euronorris · 09/01/2024 13:43

There's still so much illness about though, that last year my DD's attendance was below 95% and we got a few letters home. But she literally caught every bloody thing going, and most likely from her school mates as well. Between September and Christmas 2022 alone, she had a nasty virus (with high temp for several days), Covid, V&D and then Strep throat!! She wasn't well enough to go in on any of those occasions, but even if we had sent her in, the school would have only called us to come and collect her because of the symptoms she had.

Getting those letters just wound me up. I was keeping her off for sniffles. I was following their rules. And we were doing everything we could to keep her healthy (good diet, exercise, fresh air, multivitamins etc), but there was just so much about.

Attendance in her whole class, throughout the year, was pretty poor as they were all just passing germs between themselves. At one point, literally half the class was out with chicken pox.

I meant to type 'I wasn't keeping her off for sniffles'!

angela1952 · 09/01/2024 14:51

My daughter went to an independent day school in London some years ago and even there they were struggling to find science teachers though they were offering above average salaries. Heaven knows what it is like now in the state sector.

cardibach · 09/01/2024 15:59

noblegiraffe · 09/01/2024 13:55

Teacher supply has become a massive problem over the last few years, and is only getting worse as the government misses recruitment targets (by 50% this year!)

My school never used to have problems recruiting as we are near a couple of training providers. Now though we are missing maths teachers, science teachers, can’t get computer science teachers for love nor money… So we get in supply but they’re supply because they don’t want the hassle of permanent contracts you get ones who refuse to plan or mark or deal with parents and because we’re desperate we have to take it while we try to find someone permanent. Then parents complain about lack of marking or homework so it falls to others in the department to take up the slack.

Parents can’t know the half of it or they’d be marching on the streets. Kids are so used to cover lessons and supply teachers they probably don’t even mention it.

And yet as a supply I got next to no work last term. Schools are ‘persuading’ staff to do routine cover.

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 16:13

cardibach · 09/01/2024 13:13

Like I said, not all are excellent, that’s unrealistic. Posters were suggesting no teachers cared about SEND though, and that’s just not realistic/possible.

i don’t think anyone said no teachers care about SEN pupils?

and you are arguing with the posters over a mere page who are telling you that it’s clearly not “very very few” teachers that are poor. So are you saying that what they think is poor is actually not poor?

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 16:15

cardibach · 09/01/2024 11:27

I started in 1988. It was much better then, and got even better around the millennium . Gone massively downhill since about 2010. Make of that what you will.

thank you answering

i have asked the Op a few times whether she has ever been satisfied in the profession and, if so, when but ignored so i appreciate your response

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 16:17

cardibach · 09/01/2024 13:13

Like I said, not all are excellent, that’s unrealistic. Posters were suggesting no teachers cared about SEND though, and that’s just not realistic/possible.

Heads are having to hire people that they wouldn’t normally even interview because they’re the only candidate.

clearly this is resulting in more than “very very few” being poor

cardibach · 09/01/2024 16:45

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 16:17

Heads are having to hire people that they wouldn’t normally even interview because they’re the only candidate.

clearly this is resulting in more than “very very few” being poor

Now, maybe. Probably. But people are talking about their experience over years. My experience over years is that the vast majority, almost all, teachers are competent. I’ve worked in lots of schools over 35 years and there are vanishingly few teachers I wouldn’t have trusted with my own child.

Araminta1003 · 09/01/2024 16:46

There may be no English born young teachers coming through. However, there are a ton of STEM graduates from places like China who will probably happily teach in UK state schools in return for visas.

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 16:47

cardibach · 09/01/2024 16:45

Now, maybe. Probably. But people are talking about their experience over years. My experience over years is that the vast majority, almost all, teachers are competent. I’ve worked in lots of schools over 35 years and there are vanishingly few teachers I wouldn’t have trusted with my own child.

tbf - your view as a colleague may be somewhat different as a parent

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