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Parents to be asked to solve school attendance crisis

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noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 11:44

There is an article in the Times about the current school attendance crisis. It cannot be overstated how awful the attendance crisis is. Pupils, particularly disadvantaged pupils, are staying away from school in much larger numbers, and for more days than before covid.

It says that lockdowns broke the contract between parents and schools which said that school attendance was compulsory.

It blames parents for keeping their children home when they have a minor illness or are slightly anxious about school.

It quotes Bridget Phillipson, Shadow Education Secretary as saying "If I were secretary of state, I’d be sending a very clear message to parents that every day at school matters, and that irresponsible parents who don’t care about sending their kids to school are harming other kids’ life chances, not just their own"

(Whereas current Education Secretary Gillian) "Keegan will expand a programme that gives children skipping school an attendance mentor who could drive or walk youngsters from their home to school in the morning or negotiate with head teachers on their behalf. She said: “Persistent absence is a hangover from the pandemic affecting schools around the world. Schools and the government cannot do this alone.

“Families play a big part in attendance and parents have a legal duty to make sure their children are at school. I know it can be hard to get children out of the door, especially when they are feeling a bit anxious or have a mild cough or cold, so we must rebuild the social contract between parents and schools and make sure everyone plays their part.”

While lockdowns are brought up, what is not mentioned is the utter state schools were in between lockdowns and after lockdowns. Children were being supervised in halls rather than being taught due to lack of teachers who were ill (and this is still happening now due to inability to recruit). Lack of teachers meaning that kids get endless cover which can be largely a waste of time. Children who are anxious about attending school are expected to get on with it while teachers who are unable to cope with the poor behaviour of students are signed off with stress. The experience of children in schools during and since covid can be extraordinarily shit.

Attendance is much lower in pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds. Child poverty is not mentioned - I was reading about a child who couldn't attend school because her mother needed to use the one pair of shoes they shared. Other children are needed to look after younger siblings while parents work because they can't afford childcare. How will this be solved by sending a car around?

But we also know that schools in disadvantaged areas are more likely to struggle to hire staff. What is the point in a child attending school when they don't have teachers? How will Keegan and Phillipson argue that one?

This bit is the most worrying:

"A Labour government, Phillipson said, would place more emphasis on absenteeism as part of the Ofsted inspection framework, with schools compelled to produce an annual report on attendance, off-rolling (removing a pupil without using a permanent exclusion) and safeguarding. Schools are required to submit weekly attendance records to the Department for Education but absenteeism does not have its own Ofsted criteria, instead falling under a broader category of “behaviour and attitudes”.
These reports would affect the Ofsted rating given to schools, which would also take into account the progress they have made in shrinking the attainment gap between disadvantaged pupils and their more affluent peers"

Linking an Ofsted grading to attendance will just doom schools in disadvantaged areas to low Ofsted grades at a time when Ofsted had just started to recognise that grading a school based on disadvantage was a bad idea.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

Bridget Phillipson: Parents must save lockdown’s lost generation

The shadow education secretary takes aim at absenteeism as a poll reveals that one in four parents don’t think their child has to go to school each day

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

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cardibach · 09/01/2024 11:27

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 08:54

Since joining the teaching profession, have you regarded any period as a positive one where you have felt the government has been in support of teachers and you have been satisfied and enjoyed your job?

I started in 1988. It was much better then, and got even better around the millennium . Gone massively downhill since about 2010. Make of that what you will.

cardibach · 09/01/2024 11:29

daffodilandtulip · 09/01/2024 08:59

The main thing my son complains about are the idiots who mess around in lessons. They just have to sit there doing nothing when the whole lesson is spent dealing with those children.

And why is it the teachers can’t deal with that, do you think? Could it be shortages of staff to remove them? Poorer behaviour in more children due to unmet SEND? Lack of money to provide suitable spaces for them to go to?
Or have you concluded it’s each individual teacher’s fault?

daffodilandtulip · 09/01/2024 11:30

@cardibach I was responding to a poster who asked what the children's experience was. I wasn't starting an argument about why.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 11:34

cardibach · 09/01/2024 11:29

And why is it the teachers can’t deal with that, do you think? Could it be shortages of staff to remove them? Poorer behaviour in more children due to unmet SEND? Lack of money to provide suitable spaces for them to go to?
Or have you concluded it’s each individual teacher’s fault?

no escaping that in some cases - it will be the teacher

The fact that there are very real issues at play doesn’t rule out that that there are some shit teachers that lack any kind of control over their class. Always have been. Always will be. Fact

stickygotstuck · 09/01/2024 11:34

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 10:53

@stickygotstuck if your DS is being harmed by being at school, why are you waiting to talk to the school?

What makes you think I'm 'waiting' to speak? Also, what makes you think you can speak to many schools these days without waiting? For ages.

I have spoken to them repeatedly. Emails and calls that are not returned. When they do, they talk the talk, you feel slightly reassured, then back to doing nothing for DC. I'm waiting for them to get back to me on the latest, and I have requested an urgent meeting.

As I said, I have made some (too many?) allowances in view of the shitshow that is funding and staffing. All made worse by the appalling lack of communication/response that seems to be the order of the day in most schools these days.

You simply cannot image the anger and the frustration, as well as the deep worry.

As it is, we are looking into changing schools from DC's current (well regarded, oversubscribed BTW) school. But this thread makes me wonder if it will make a difference. DC has SEN and the huge disruption of a change during GCSE studies is something we balk at.

Primary school assured us "(academic, well behaved, keen to learn)DC would do well in any school" . Maybe as they were a few years ago. Certainly not the case now.

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 11:35

Which is why I haven't yet told school exactly what I'm thinking. But I will have to shortly. Will make sure I tell them I am aware of the huge constraints they're dealing with

that is why i thought you hadn’t yet

cardibach · 09/01/2024 11:35

daffodilandtulip · 09/01/2024 11:30

@cardibach I was responding to a poster who asked what the children's experience was. I wasn't starting an argument about why.

The poster you responded to was asking why though. She asked whether people linked the bad experience to structural things. You said it was because of the bad behaviour of others. The inability to deal with that behaviour in schools is a structural thing.

cardibach · 09/01/2024 11:37

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 11:34

no escaping that in some cases - it will be the teacher

The fact that there are very real issues at play doesn’t rule out that that there are some shit teachers that lack any kind of control over their class. Always have been. Always will be. Fact

Of course not everyone in every profession is top class, but teachers are rigorously performance managed. There are very, very few completely poor ones working now. The vast majority of problems are despite a competent teacher’s best efforts.

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 11:43

There are very, very few completely poor ones working now.

well, no one can be sure of that.

TrashedSofa · 09/01/2024 11:45

LanaL · 09/01/2024 10:36

It’s not about covid anymore . Some huge reasons are detailed in that - lack of structure for the children due to lack of teachers and more supply teachers . Children probably don’t feel as safe and comfortable as they used to , creating anxiety . So many of these children who are absent probably have sen but due to the massive failure to diagnose , schools can’t get funding to support these children or to support actually getting them in to school and parents are left to deal with this alone .

Maybe stop schools living in fear of ofsted . Stop teachers crumbling under the pressure of ofsted , under the pressure of having to make sure the data is right and allow them to actually teach and nurture the children in their classes .

Offer support to the families whose children have low attendance rather than threats of fines because the schools have no choice but to be concerned about the statistics instead of the wellbeing of the children .

I agree with most of what you've written, but some of it is about covid. Some parents, including several in this thread, feel alienated by the government, the actions of their school or both during the pandemic. It's very much an issue.

Regardless of one's views on whether school closures were necessary, it's inevitable that treating school as a nice to have for an extended period was going to have some impact on attitudes. Otherwise excellent points though. Fines are stupid, pointless and achieve fuck all.

stickygotstuck · 09/01/2024 11:45

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 11:35

Which is why I haven't yet told school exactly what I'm thinking. But I will have to shortly. Will make sure I tell them I am aware of the huge constraints they're dealing with

that is why i thought you hadn’t yet

I said exactly . Clearly and directly.

What I am thinking is: " Your supposedly good school is a bloody shitshow, my DC hates coming here, cortisol levels through the roof, unable to learn because of that and because of the hostile environment you are creating with pointless and ridiculous new rules, many of them seemingly designed to make the lives of ND students hell. What are you going to help MY child? Because, after months and months of making allowances for the dreadful system you are forced to work in, I am now past caring about your problems and other people's children's problems "

However, I am not sure how much that would accomplish.

I'd be very interested to know what teachers/heads here would think of this end-of-your-tether statement during a meeting. Because the less clear route has not worked.

Kdtym10 · 09/01/2024 11:45

cardibach · 09/01/2024 11:37

Of course not everyone in every profession is top class, but teachers are rigorously performance managed. There are very, very few completely poor ones working now. The vast majority of problems are despite a competent teacher’s best efforts.

I’m sorry but although there are some fantastic teachers there are plenty of really shit ones too. Ones that can’t seem to tell the time, can’t organise homework to fit certain criteria (sometimes the homework isn’t even on the subject they’re learning or about to learn). The most noticeable thing is the lack of any common sense.

Homework is often set by an AI system - multiple choice. Poorly written instructions etc.

I suppose if you’re a head it’s better to have someone who couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery than paying supply teachers or not having any teacher.

cardibach · 09/01/2024 11:51

Kdtym10 · 09/01/2024 11:45

I’m sorry but although there are some fantastic teachers there are plenty of really shit ones too. Ones that can’t seem to tell the time, can’t organise homework to fit certain criteria (sometimes the homework isn’t even on the subject they’re learning or about to learn). The most noticeable thing is the lack of any common sense.

Homework is often set by an AI system - multiple choice. Poorly written instructions etc.

I suppose if you’re a head it’s better to have someone who couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery than paying supply teachers or not having any teacher.

Having worked in schools I’m afraid I don’t think this is possible in more than a few isolated and short lived cases. However, your main moan there seems to be around homework. There’s very little research to suggest homework is beneficial in any way (apart from reading for a bit every day) until exam years, when repetition and practice do make a difference. I’d ban it, personally. When a teacher is overworked and has no resources due to underfunding, I can fully believe homework is the first thing to go. I’m not sure what you mean about time. Teachers’ days are timed to the minute whether they are naturally good time keepers or not.

cardibach · 09/01/2024 11:52

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 11:43

There are very, very few completely poor ones working now.

well, no one can be sure of that.

Well, yes they can. There’s a lot of Performance Management. Sadly it is also often used to end the careers of experienced, competent but expensive teachers by unscrupulous management, but it’s there.

TheThingIsYeah · 09/01/2024 11:57

DemBonesDemBones · 09/01/2024 09:08

@daffodilandtulip those 'idiots' likely have parents close to complete mental and physical breakdown fighting for a suitable education for their child behind the scenes.

Or they could just be arseholes. And more than likely their parents are arseholes. Some families are just arseholes.

We find excuses for poor behaviour far too much.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 09/01/2024 11:58

There are very, very few completely poor ones working now.

Yes there are.You don’t even need a degree to teach in an academy. All the outstanding experienced teachers retire before they get bullied out.

LittleMyTopKnot · 09/01/2024 12:09

“I’d have loved to be able to do this when I was working on a contract, @LittleMyTopKnot , but as a secondary English teacher I taught over 150 pupils per week. If I’d been a teacher of a non-core subject it would have been a much, much higher number (easily double, probably more).”

@cardibach I do understand- but from my point of view, that is why I don’t bother with school, teachers or attendance. A simple email saying that my child was falling behind would have been helpful as well. I had nothing.

I sympathise with teachers but I had no help from mine. I will deal with academic achievements and behaviour but don’t expect support or help from me with regards to attendance, PTA stuff, etc.

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 12:12

cardibach · 09/01/2024 11:52

Well, yes they can. There’s a lot of Performance Management. Sadly it is also often used to end the careers of experienced, competent but expensive teachers by unscrupulous management, but it’s there.

and presumably that “unscrupulous” management won’t think twice about keeping crap teachers that they do favour!

cardibach · 09/01/2024 12:21

plumberdrain · 09/01/2024 12:12

and presumably that “unscrupulous” management won’t think twice about keeping crap teachers that they do favour!

Well, no. Because their own performance management is based on results, so they won’t favour anyone who doesn’t get them.
Look, I’m not saying all teachers are brilliant, obviously there’s a range. Or that all heads are crap and only interested in results. But on the whole, systems are in place to manage (via support or getting rid) of very poor teachers (and some who have the misfortune to be both expensive and a bit bolshy about things like, for eg, student welfare being more important than exam bottom lines). The bulk of issues with schools are systemic, resulting from underfunding and staffing issues as well as constant interference from government and the shit show that is ofsted/estyn.

angela1952 · 09/01/2024 12:24

Jellycatspyjamas · 09/01/2024 09:18

Whether it was due to the school, to large or mixed age classes or the teachers working there we don't know, but when she was adopted at age 5 she couldn't read or write at all and had virtually no maths skills.

Or maybe being removed from her family and the uncertainty of being in care mean she was unable to learn. Once settled in a permanent, unchaotic home it’s reasonable that she would then be able to access the curriculum.

Stressed, anxious children literally can’t learn - they’re too flooded with adrenaline and cortisol, they’re who system is trying to cope with a lack of safety. Trauma informed practice would understand this and focus on the child feeling safe and secure as a necessary step in enabling them to learn.

She was happy in her foster home and stayed there for over a year. She actually stayed at the same school she had previously attended so the staff were well aware of her situation. When she was adopted and changed school the new staff said that it was apparent that she had never even learnt to form letters correctly or the phonetic alphabet, even for her own name. She couldn't count or recognise numbers.

Araminta1003 · 09/01/2024 12:28

“There’s very little research to suggest homework is beneficial in any way (apart from reading for a bit every day) until exam years”

This is always trotted out based on research. Of course poorly set homework aka Twinkl sheets are not going to do it.
Individualised clearly thought through homework makes a huge difference. Our primary trialled it after lockdown. They started setting homework on a platform for the areas each kid struggled with. That way they get the parents to practise counting eg vertices, edges on 3D shapes or make sure little Jonnie finally gets enough practice in Time word problems. It absolutely makes a big difference, if properly tailored and marked. There are plenty of parents who do want to help as well.

angela1952 · 09/01/2024 12:31

cardibach · 09/01/2024 11:51

Having worked in schools I’m afraid I don’t think this is possible in more than a few isolated and short lived cases. However, your main moan there seems to be around homework. There’s very little research to suggest homework is beneficial in any way (apart from reading for a bit every day) until exam years, when repetition and practice do make a difference. I’d ban it, personally. When a teacher is overworked and has no resources due to underfunding, I can fully believe homework is the first thing to go. I’m not sure what you mean about time. Teachers’ days are timed to the minute whether they are naturally good time keepers or not.

How great to hear from someone who works in a school that there is little research to suggest most homework is beneficial for younger age groups. I believe that regular reading (and spelling) practice is useful, but so much homework doesn't appear to be useful at all.
I'm older and had four children, some primary teachers gave them homework and others didn't. I'm yet to be convinced that primary children need it.

cardibach · 09/01/2024 12:35

angela1952 · 09/01/2024 12:31

How great to hear from someone who works in a school that there is little research to suggest most homework is beneficial for younger age groups. I believe that regular reading (and spelling) practice is useful, but so much homework doesn't appear to be useful at all.
I'm older and had four children, some primary teachers gave them homework and others didn't. I'm yet to be convinced that primary children need it.

Indeed. Not just younger age groups really - apart from exam revision I don’t think it helps many pupils. Most spelling practice isn’t much good either, to be honest - it doesn’t seem to transfer to written work. Something on spelling patterns and word groups, maybe some etymology to show why words look like they do…
I’m not a fan of homework. It affects family time disproportionately and is one more task for teachers/stick to beat them with for far less gain than the time it takes to set and mark being used to assess and plan. Plus you never know who actually did it, so it all being right means nothing in terms of future teaching. You still have to check it all with class based activities anyway.

Ilostseptember · 09/01/2024 12:36

Also the bizarre fashion for borstal type discipline at school doesn't seem to help. My son gets 30 minutes for lunch, he chooses between going to the library and eating some days. I think COVID did lead to a social and emotional delay that hasn't been recognised or supported. Do we need more A* 18 year olds or do we need young adults that are creative thinkers, socially capable, and able to deal with the stresses of real life. After all there is more than work eat sleep repeat.

angela1952 · 09/01/2024 12:53

cardibach · 09/01/2024 12:35

Indeed. Not just younger age groups really - apart from exam revision I don’t think it helps many pupils. Most spelling practice isn’t much good either, to be honest - it doesn’t seem to transfer to written work. Something on spelling patterns and word groups, maybe some etymology to show why words look like they do…
I’m not a fan of homework. It affects family time disproportionately and is one more task for teachers/stick to beat them with for far less gain than the time it takes to set and mark being used to assess and plan. Plus you never know who actually did it, so it all being right means nothing in terms of future teaching. You still have to check it all with class based activities anyway.

It results in such wrangling within families, parents having to push children to do the work. And as for course work that can be done at home, I've always felt that many parents complete it for the children anyway so it is unfair for those who do it themselves.