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Parents to be asked to solve school attendance crisis

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noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 11:44

There is an article in the Times about the current school attendance crisis. It cannot be overstated how awful the attendance crisis is. Pupils, particularly disadvantaged pupils, are staying away from school in much larger numbers, and for more days than before covid.

It says that lockdowns broke the contract between parents and schools which said that school attendance was compulsory.

It blames parents for keeping their children home when they have a minor illness or are slightly anxious about school.

It quotes Bridget Phillipson, Shadow Education Secretary as saying "If I were secretary of state, I’d be sending a very clear message to parents that every day at school matters, and that irresponsible parents who don’t care about sending their kids to school are harming other kids’ life chances, not just their own"

(Whereas current Education Secretary Gillian) "Keegan will expand a programme that gives children skipping school an attendance mentor who could drive or walk youngsters from their home to school in the morning or negotiate with head teachers on their behalf. She said: “Persistent absence is a hangover from the pandemic affecting schools around the world. Schools and the government cannot do this alone.

“Families play a big part in attendance and parents have a legal duty to make sure their children are at school. I know it can be hard to get children out of the door, especially when they are feeling a bit anxious or have a mild cough or cold, so we must rebuild the social contract between parents and schools and make sure everyone plays their part.”

While lockdowns are brought up, what is not mentioned is the utter state schools were in between lockdowns and after lockdowns. Children were being supervised in halls rather than being taught due to lack of teachers who were ill (and this is still happening now due to inability to recruit). Lack of teachers meaning that kids get endless cover which can be largely a waste of time. Children who are anxious about attending school are expected to get on with it while teachers who are unable to cope with the poor behaviour of students are signed off with stress. The experience of children in schools during and since covid can be extraordinarily shit.

Attendance is much lower in pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds. Child poverty is not mentioned - I was reading about a child who couldn't attend school because her mother needed to use the one pair of shoes they shared. Other children are needed to look after younger siblings while parents work because they can't afford childcare. How will this be solved by sending a car around?

But we also know that schools in disadvantaged areas are more likely to struggle to hire staff. What is the point in a child attending school when they don't have teachers? How will Keegan and Phillipson argue that one?

This bit is the most worrying:

"A Labour government, Phillipson said, would place more emphasis on absenteeism as part of the Ofsted inspection framework, with schools compelled to produce an annual report on attendance, off-rolling (removing a pupil without using a permanent exclusion) and safeguarding. Schools are required to submit weekly attendance records to the Department for Education but absenteeism does not have its own Ofsted criteria, instead falling under a broader category of “behaviour and attitudes”.
These reports would affect the Ofsted rating given to schools, which would also take into account the progress they have made in shrinking the attainment gap between disadvantaged pupils and their more affluent peers"

Linking an Ofsted grading to attendance will just doom schools in disadvantaged areas to low Ofsted grades at a time when Ofsted had just started to recognise that grading a school based on disadvantage was a bad idea.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

Bridget Phillipson: Parents must save lockdown’s lost generation

The shadow education secretary takes aim at absenteeism as a poll reveals that one in four parents don’t think their child has to go to school each day

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

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Charlie2121 · 07/01/2024 17:24

This why you should do everything you can to use private schools.

Live in a smaller house, forgo holidays, remortgage if necessary but whatever you do don’t use state schools unless it is absolutely unavoidable.

Too many excuses from parents and schools. Everything is always someone else’s fault.

Nah, Chas, sharpen your middle class MN elbows and get them into a grammar school.

The best education money can't buy!

I agree with your last paragraph mind, and I fear for the future of this country. We're becoming a nation of absolute wet wipes, and nothing will function before too long.

OhmygodDont · 07/01/2024 19:07

I stop caring after the strikes. My Older two are both secondary age and never had a single day off for holidays during term time but frankly after the whole nobody cares during covid then strike day after strike day I give no shits if they miss 2 days for a long weekend break. If attendance is so so important and every day matters my children wouldn’t have been left to muddle along in covid nor strike after strike.

Let’s face it most of us grew up when our parents could legally take us for a whole week away out of school and most people did perfectly fine. The children who need extra help with attendance are not the ones on holiday once or twice a year it’s the persistent missing of school and sending a arsehole letter won’t fix it.

All this prove your child was sick… you want a photo of the sick?? Go away smh.

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OhmygodDont · 07/01/2024 19:17

I check their timetables and know what lessons they have what days. I know one child would have to go in no matter what on Mondays for the next two months due to subject work. I know the other does just history, pe and art on every other friday. Its not hard to work out where one long weekend can fit in perfectly fine.

We also have access to qualified tutors for core subjects outside of school. My children are top set, I have no concerns over two days off a year 🙄 that’s the issue those who it will actually harm are not who any government incentive or punishment will help.

The persistent off school are not actually being fined in their masses it’s the one holiday a year types. The children who are actually sick are getting arsehole letters. The children who just won’t or can’t go in are still not being helped.

MrsAmaretto · 07/01/2024 19:20

Maybe the issue is that education used to be seen as a way to better your life. You needed to get good grades to do well, get a good job, earn well and have a better lifestyle than your parents. This is no longer seen as the case so state education isn’t seen as important and kids don’t go.

Ketzele · 07/01/2024 19:22

So I think the thread has established that this problem is multi factorial and its not helpful for the Govt to pretend its just about feckless parents who Should Be Told. But we know why it is.

And I guess Labour is looking at the vast sums needed to start reversing the damage caused by years of starving the public sector and thinking, let's just go with this. We can get Louise Casey in to set up a Feckless Parent Task force next year and buy ourselves a bit of time.

We need to keep calling this out, parents and teachers in alliance.

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Oh no. I meant I used to be the goody two shoes never miss a day type and now I’m more a eugh what’s one long weekend type 😅 so I can easily see how it’s slipped for other parents too.

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HappyAsASandboy · 07/01/2024 19:29

For us, the contract was broken between my DD and school. She now sees it as optional because life carried on when they shut in covid.

It isn't me seeing school as optional! But while my year 4 DD on the way in to covid though attending school was absolutely the only thing, my year 8 daughter is now pretty much certain school is optional. I have got her there every day she's been well (>98% attendance) over the last two years, but sometimes that has required help from the school, and once I've been duped in to early collection for illness that I then didn't believe, so I reckon I'm going pretty well!

Covid broke my DD's belief that school was inevitable. That makes my job harder every day.

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Slightly off topic but remember when you could put your dc on your passport early 90s then this was abused by some people and we all had to fork out for child passports

noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 19:37

The rate of term time holidays has gone up massively.

You see it here on MN, people saying 'what you save on costs is more than the fine for missing school so just factor that into the price'.

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Shinyandnew1 · 07/01/2024 19:38

Except for kids at private school who not only have longer holidays so can go the week before when it’s cheaper, but also don’t get fined for absences anyway.

LlynTegid · 07/01/2024 19:56

@noblegiraffe fines are not the answer. Persistent offenders should have their passport withdrawn for a period of time, decision by a court not the school.

If school terms were all the same, then cheaper child places could be outlawed during school terms.

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CoffeeWithCheese · 07/01/2024 20:15

My goodwill regarding termtime holidays went out of the window after Covid when I couldn't get school to even make contact with a desperately struggling (emotionally - not academically) DD2. Never took a termtime holiday until then - but when school switched to viewing parents as the enemy and children as filthy disease vectors - I stopped worrying what they thought of me as a parent and relaxed a hell of a lot about all of it.

I'm re-claiming control and no longer tolerating shite like this idea that the average school teacher (or school administrator since it's usually the office that will phone home) has a better understanding of how my child appears when ill and when they're too unwell to be in school. I'm the parent and since at least one of my children has a proven history of not displaying illness in the "typical" way (incredibly stoic, very very high pain threshold and will not say when she's struggling at all) - I'm not prepared to trust the school to make that judgement to be honest (and I don't think it's fair on teachers for them to be expected to make that judgement either).

Incidentally - both kids generally still have very high/100% (depending on medical appointments) attendance regardless of this change in attitude for me.

Jellycatspyjamas · 07/01/2024 20:16

@noblegiraffe fines are not the answer. Persistent offenders should have their passport withdrawn for a period of time, decision by a court not the school.

If the government want to restrict the liberty of its citizens on the basis of school attendance, they’d better be bloody sure they’re providing a safe, accessible, supportive, quality education to ever single child of compulsory school age.

Sirzy · 07/01/2024 20:23

If school terms were all the same, then cheaper child places could be outlawed during school terms.

all that would do is push up the prices for everyone. Deals like cheaper children’s places during term time are a way to try to get bums on seats! If you start restricting the deals during term time you push up prices all year round.

thats not forgetting that plenty of children are home educated so not tied to term time.

TrashedSofa · 07/01/2024 20:26

It's correct that fines aren't the answer, but neither removing the passports of parents nor state control of holiday pricing are remotely realistic options either.

TurkeyTwizlers · 07/01/2024 20:38

There’s an awful lot of children doing anything but go to lessons as well, they might be in but they’re not doing anything.
Ive worked in schools and there’s students who spend all day causing chaos/looking for attention. Their attendance might be good though.

DDs primary did nothing in lockdown, sent some photocopied sheets they didn’t want back and that was it. I know a TA at the school and all the teachers and TAs with young children were sent home for the duration. Only people in were the head and childless TAs. Ruined a lot of goodwill.

Mikimoto · 07/01/2024 20:47

Charlie2121 · 07/01/2024 18:26

I wasn’t earning £225k at 32.

I am not one of those people who always knew they’d definitely want a child.

Circumstances presented themselves relative late in life where I thought it might be a nice thing to do. Priorities change.

I wouldn’t have done it unless I had no mortgage and could afford the fees as I don’t want to be working for too much longer. I’d prefer to be free during all the school holidays.

Completely agree. Would never have had kids with
a mortgage and the worry of potentially losing housing
while having a family.