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Parents to be asked to solve school attendance crisis

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noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 11:44

There is an article in the Times about the current school attendance crisis. It cannot be overstated how awful the attendance crisis is. Pupils, particularly disadvantaged pupils, are staying away from school in much larger numbers, and for more days than before covid.

It says that lockdowns broke the contract between parents and schools which said that school attendance was compulsory.

It blames parents for keeping their children home when they have a minor illness or are slightly anxious about school.

It quotes Bridget Phillipson, Shadow Education Secretary as saying "If I were secretary of state, I’d be sending a very clear message to parents that every day at school matters, and that irresponsible parents who don’t care about sending their kids to school are harming other kids’ life chances, not just their own"

(Whereas current Education Secretary Gillian) "Keegan will expand a programme that gives children skipping school an attendance mentor who could drive or walk youngsters from their home to school in the morning or negotiate with head teachers on their behalf. She said: “Persistent absence is a hangover from the pandemic affecting schools around the world. Schools and the government cannot do this alone.

“Families play a big part in attendance and parents have a legal duty to make sure their children are at school. I know it can be hard to get children out of the door, especially when they are feeling a bit anxious or have a mild cough or cold, so we must rebuild the social contract between parents and schools and make sure everyone plays their part.”

While lockdowns are brought up, what is not mentioned is the utter state schools were in between lockdowns and after lockdowns. Children were being supervised in halls rather than being taught due to lack of teachers who were ill (and this is still happening now due to inability to recruit). Lack of teachers meaning that kids get endless cover which can be largely a waste of time. Children who are anxious about attending school are expected to get on with it while teachers who are unable to cope with the poor behaviour of students are signed off with stress. The experience of children in schools during and since covid can be extraordinarily shit.

Attendance is much lower in pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds. Child poverty is not mentioned - I was reading about a child who couldn't attend school because her mother needed to use the one pair of shoes they shared. Other children are needed to look after younger siblings while parents work because they can't afford childcare. How will this be solved by sending a car around?

But we also know that schools in disadvantaged areas are more likely to struggle to hire staff. What is the point in a child attending school when they don't have teachers? How will Keegan and Phillipson argue that one?

This bit is the most worrying:

"A Labour government, Phillipson said, would place more emphasis on absenteeism as part of the Ofsted inspection framework, with schools compelled to produce an annual report on attendance, off-rolling (removing a pupil without using a permanent exclusion) and safeguarding. Schools are required to submit weekly attendance records to the Department for Education but absenteeism does not have its own Ofsted criteria, instead falling under a broader category of “behaviour and attitudes”.
These reports would affect the Ofsted rating given to schools, which would also take into account the progress they have made in shrinking the attainment gap between disadvantaged pupils and their more affluent peers"

Linking an Ofsted grading to attendance will just doom schools in disadvantaged areas to low Ofsted grades at a time when Ofsted had just started to recognise that grading a school based on disadvantage was a bad idea.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

Bridget Phillipson: Parents must save lockdown’s lost generation

The shadow education secretary takes aim at absenteeism as a poll reveals that one in four parents don’t think their child has to go to school each day

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

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AllProperTeaIsTheft · 07/01/2024 17:01

I think all the teachers strikes haven't helped either. It's like well you're wasting X amount of days of a child's education, it can't be as important as you say that they need to be in every day.

Maybe the parents who have that opinion should try putting two and two together and having a think about why teachers are striking (and leaving) and reflect on the fact that the changes teachers want would also benefit pupils. Not least by maybe reducing the huge number of qualified teachers who are quitting. And yes, I know that ostensibly the strikes are over pay, but it's really the only way teachers can express their protest about the state of the education system. Most teachers I know would take a workload cut over a pay rise.

TrashedSofa · 07/01/2024 17:05

15 year olds in England are also pretty dissatisfied as a group, because they have to do GCSEs, which are quite intense. Many other OECD countries do not test at this age in such a formal, national way. It creates a fear of failure. Puts a lot of pressure on everyone, including teachers.

It's that whole 'forgotten third' thing isn't it? I agree the existence of GCSEs themselves is a bit dubious anyway, and then obviously we did what we did in 2020 and 2021. So that created a sense of injustice in many, disrupted the norm and did also give millions of teenagers an experience, however trying, of secondary school that didn't end with sitting exams. It's another example of people voting with their feet and showing they don't think the systems we had pre 2020 are necessarily something to go back to.

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 17:06

Taking a hard line with kids like this doesn't change anything. They need HELP.

Nothing unfortunately will change their lot in life i’m afraid. The odd one will escape. But the vast vast majority will procreate and perpetuate the problem.

It has always existed
It always will

It’s become more of a problem because population growth means there’s more of them.

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Sherrystrull · 07/01/2024 17:07

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 07/01/2024 17:01

I think all the teachers strikes haven't helped either. It's like well you're wasting X amount of days of a child's education, it can't be as important as you say that they need to be in every day.

Maybe the parents who have that opinion should try putting two and two together and having a think about why teachers are striking (and leaving) and reflect on the fact that the changes teachers want would also benefit pupils. Not least by maybe reducing the huge number of qualified teachers who are quitting. And yes, I know that ostensibly the strikes are over pay, but it's really the only way teachers can express their protest about the state of the education system. Most teachers I know would take a workload cut over a pay rise.

Hear hear. I can't believe there's still people who don't know why teachers were on strike.

Twitch45 · 07/01/2024 17:11

JadziaD · 07/01/2024 13:08

Yes, I think there are lots of issues around disadvantaged children or children with SEN and the persistent lack of mental health support as well as children who have suffered with loss of social skills/increased anxiety....
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But I also think that for your bog standard middle class family, the "contract" was broken in a lot of cases because some schools were just so incredibly bad. I know that I have always been the sort of parent who is very supportive of schools and teachers, push hard for attendance etc. And now, while my children still have very high levels of attendance, I do that b because I think it's important, but because I am in the slightest bit interested in supporting the school. Becuase they let me down. At our primary school during Covid, for the first 2 major lockdowns, my children did not have so much as a single phone call from the school. There were no online lessons, there was no engagement with teachers. After the first 8 weeks, we received a weekly PowerPoint with the teacher's VOICE, not even a video. The lessons we were supposed to delver were vague and unclear and required extensive work on our part.

The whole thing was a complete shit show and it made me lose all faith in their school. Now, I do what I think is best for my kids but I have to admit, I've lost interest in engaging with the school as a whole.

I agree with this, and lots of other parents at my DC's supposedly outstanding primary school feel the same. We were aware of other local primaries really rising to the challenge of delivering effective home learning. Our DC got nothing.

I still value education and ensure my DC have good attendance, but no longer feel like engaging with the school.

hiredandsqueak · 07/01/2024 17:11

unwrittenredbook · 07/01/2024 12:17

I'm sure covid is partly responsible for the attendance issues.

However a HUGE part of the current attendance problem (and many others in schools) is SEND identification, support and provision. Or rather, lack of it.

The current SEND support shitshow is failing the children, their families, teachers and the schools.

I work with families of children with SEND. Many of the children are out of school, or struggle to attend. At least half of my caseload, probably closer to 70%.

Not ONE of the parents wants their child to be out of school. They're desperate for the opposite. They fight every day for their child to be in education.

It's not a case of won't attend, it's a case of can't. These children are either on roll at schools who can't (or won't in some cases) meet their needs. Some could do perfectly well in mainstream IF their current schools changed their mindsets, bucked up, spent the funding that they're given properly and did what they are supposed to do to support the child. Other schools try desperately hard to do all of that but are still unable to help the child as they need because the child needs a special school place and there are none.

Until the government funds SEND properly so that schools are able to do what they need for every child AND sets about a culture change in those individual schools whose attitudes to these families is that they're a problem to be dealt with or gotten rid of by any means necessary then we're not going to see any improvement. The parents cannot being about these changes.

I'm absolutely sure that there are some irresponsible parents who don't give a shit about their children's attendance. There always has been. I'm equally sure that there is a huge number of families who want to see their children in schools, happy and settled, but for whom this is currently impossible.

It's a shambles and I'm sick of hearing about it being the parents fault. The system is broken. Families and teachers didn't break it and nor can they alone fix it.

My dd stopped attending school pre covid. She stopped because I told her it was time to stop. She had an EHCP that was ignored,a SENCo that said she had no barriers to learning despite the ASD and the EHCP because she is strong academically. Had I not stopped she would have been dead.
I got a referral to CAMHS, she was assigned a PMHW with no understanding of ASD and then because dd couldn't engage with her approach decide she would be discharged despite dd being catatonic. Formal complaint through PALS brought Psychiatrist, psychologist, CPN and the medication that saved her and enabled her to engage again. CAMHS signed her off sick.
I asked school to call a review of EHCP they refused, LA refused (because they knew I'd use the right of appeal to change placement) School wanted the money from the EHCP, LA knew it would cost more if dd was placed elsewhere.
Used a solicitor to force a review meanwhile LA and school were holding meetings that I refused to attend to see how they could force me to send dd back to school. They stopped when CAMHS attended in my place and told them they were ignoring professional advice and they were never going to sign her fit to attend that school.
Using SENDIST with CAMHS support dd was placed in independent specialist school just before lockdown. Her school stayed open throughout largely unaltered (class size 4) and she went from zero attendance for almost two years to 100% attendance because the environment and the support was right.
I wasn't and never have been a feckless parent, I was the only one with dd's best interests at heart throught. School and LA had very different priorities and dd's health and life were deemed inconsequential in comparison.

scalt · 07/01/2024 17:19

Lockdowns, combined with the sustained campaign of fear, certainly broke the contract between people and government; and then Boris Johnson spat on what was left of it, while he and his staff partied, and adverts everywhere proclaimed "look her in the eyes, and tell her you never bend the rules". This is one reason of many why some people will never respect government again, never mind education. The government showed again, again and again that they do not care about children at all, throwing them right under the bus.

Cupcakes2024 · 07/01/2024 17:22

scalt · 07/01/2024 17:19

Lockdowns, combined with the sustained campaign of fear, certainly broke the contract between people and government; and then Boris Johnson spat on what was left of it, while he and his staff partied, and adverts everywhere proclaimed "look her in the eyes, and tell her you never bend the rules". This is one reason of many why some people will never respect government again, never mind education. The government showed again, again and again that they do not care about children at all, throwing them right under the bus.

Half the time people generally don't trust the govt either way, the govt could be perfect and some would still rebel, and some of the time some parents and their offspring don't give a hoot about others education when they are being disruptive and bullying etc

Charlie2121 · 07/01/2024 17:24

This why you should do everything you can to use private schools.

Live in a smaller house, forgo holidays, remortgage if necessary but whatever you do don’t use state schools unless it is absolutely unavoidable.

Too many excuses from parents and schools. Everything is always someone else’s fault.

TrashedSofa · 07/01/2024 17:26

scalt · 07/01/2024 17:19

Lockdowns, combined with the sustained campaign of fear, certainly broke the contract between people and government; and then Boris Johnson spat on what was left of it, while he and his staff partied, and adverts everywhere proclaimed "look her in the eyes, and tell her you never bend the rules". This is one reason of many why some people will never respect government again, never mind education. The government showed again, again and again that they do not care about children at all, throwing them right under the bus.

This is true, but I think it's also missing the alienation from parents at the other end of the scale too.

If you take all the people who are pissed off that schools shut too early, or too late, or at all, or that they reopened when they did, or that their kids got fuck all when they were shut... that's a looooot of parents who are angry. Some of them are in direct opposition to each other, but what they have in common is a disinclination to think the state can be trusted with their welfare of their DC. And I don't see this changing when Labour get in either, because there was no real clear water between the party mainstreams on the issue.

cardibach · 07/01/2024 17:32

forcedfun · 07/01/2024 13:14

Exactly.

Teachers on here can deny our experience but this was the reality for my children.

In fact ours was worse than yours. No provision during lockdowns until the following January and then it was a couple of PowerPoints a week. Still no personal contact at any point. Just the tone deaf weekly emails about the fun they were having.

I paid for tutors and worked long into the night so I could juggle my job with childcare and homeschooling.

Any sense of respect for the school was gone.

Nobody is denying your experience. We’re just saying it wasn’t in any way universal. You seem to be denying my experience though… why is that ok?
If your school did nothing, that’s really bad. I’m surprised there were schools like that but accept your experience. It isn’t mine. I worked my socks off, as did teacher friends in other schools.

Poufpastry · 07/01/2024 17:33

The highest percentage absence is illness, as it has been forever, but parents are less likely to send children in when they have a cold now. The second highest percentage is term time absence for holidays, and those absences are on the increase. So I'd say that yes, parents do need to take some responsibility.

lavenderlou · 07/01/2024 17:36

To refuse to authorise future sickness absences based on a single absence period that was a legal requirement to miss school is absolutely ridiculous.

My younger daughter missed 9 days of school, as per her Consultant's directions, following open abdominal surgery. Now apparently we will be required to provide medical evidence for any future absence. Absolutely ridiculous and I will ignore it - let then try to prosecute me for keeping my daughter off school after significant surgery!

Sherrystrull · 07/01/2024 17:36

Schools were fully open September-December 2020. I don't understand anyone saying they were shut for a year.

lavenderlou · 07/01/2024 17:38

Charlie2121 · 07/01/2024 17:24

This why you should do everything you can to use private schools.

Live in a smaller house, forgo holidays, remortgage if necessary but whatever you do don’t use state schools unless it is absolutely unavoidable.

Too many excuses from parents and schools. Everything is always someone else’s fault.

The vast majority of people could do all the things you listed and still have no possibility of affording private school fees. I'm sure there are also many private school students missing school due to physical or mental health issues anyway.

greengreengrass25 · 07/01/2024 17:40

Also some parents and their dc don't seem bothered if they are attending or not and make excuses for them.

Will they ever be able to hold down a job in the future with their blasé attitude

This is older dc obviously

TrashedSofa · 07/01/2024 17:41

cardibach · 07/01/2024 17:32

Nobody is denying your experience. We’re just saying it wasn’t in any way universal. You seem to be denying my experience though… why is that ok?
If your school did nothing, that’s really bad. I’m surprised there were schools like that but accept your experience. It isn’t mine. I worked my socks off, as did teacher friends in other schools.

For me, the difficulty is that teachers and TAs having worked their socks off and kids at home getting fuck all aren't mutually exclusive.

Our school was shite during lockdown. They didn't do nothing, it met bare minimum, but that's all. I also happen to know, through personal connections to several staff there, just how tough things were for them and how hard they were working. Unfortunately, the system in which they were obligated to work meant some DC were beneficiaries of this whereas others, like mine, were fucked off. It's not the fault of the schools that they were expected to do two jobs at once without extra funding or staffing, so I don't blame them at all. But I think it's clear that this kind of thing did indeed 'break the contract' with a lot of families.

cardibach · 07/01/2024 17:41

WhatTheHeckyPeck · 07/01/2024 13:26

Her dad and sister lived over the boarder so which child should not have been allowed to holiday with him. Anyway, it didn't seem to impact her education much given that she graduated with a 1st class. honours degree. Her sister (who was never taken out of school for a holiday), left at 16 with very poor GCSE results and hasn't worked a day in her life, but carry on judging.

They could all have gone on holiday in one of the 5 holidays a year where they did coincide.

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 17:42

Charlie2121 · 07/01/2024 17:24

This why you should do everything you can to use private schools.

Live in a smaller house, forgo holidays, remortgage if necessary but whatever you do don’t use state schools unless it is absolutely unavoidable.

Too many excuses from parents and schools. Everything is always someone else’s fault.

in your OWN words @Charlie2121

Had I had my child at 32 instead of 42 I’d not have been able to consider private schools.

Charlie2121 · 07/01/2024 17:44

lavenderlou · 07/01/2024 17:38

The vast majority of people could do all the things you listed and still have no possibility of affording private school fees. I'm sure there are also many private school students missing school due to physical or mental health issues anyway.

Absence rates at private schools are minuscule compared with state schools.

Children are only absent when they are genuinely ill.

Charlie2121 · 07/01/2024 17:45

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 17:42

in your OWN words @Charlie2121

Had I had my child at 32 instead of 42 I’d not have been able to consider private schools.

That’s correct and is one of the reasons I had a child when I did.

I wouldn’t have dreamt of having a child who I couldn’t provide private schooling for.

TrashedSofa · 07/01/2024 17:50

Charlie2121 · 07/01/2024 17:44

Absence rates at private schools are minuscule compared with state schools.

Children are only absent when they are genuinely ill.

The longer school holidays probably help too. With state school holidays, there's a substantial financial incentive to removing DC if you want to go away.

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 17:50

Charlie2121 · 07/01/2024 17:45

That’s correct and is one of the reasons I had a child when I did.

I wouldn’t have dreamt of having a child who I couldn’t provide private schooling for.

you took one hell of a risk waiting until you could afford it at 42

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 17:51

you could have ended up blowing your private schooling savings on IVF!

forcedfun · 07/01/2024 17:54

Charlie2121 · 07/01/2024 17:45

That’s correct and is one of the reasons I had a child when I did.

I wouldn’t have dreamt of having a child who I couldn’t provide private schooling for.

I guess your own private education skipped the bit about female ( in particular) reproduction risks increasing with age?