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Parents to be asked to solve school attendance crisis

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noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 11:44

There is an article in the Times about the current school attendance crisis. It cannot be overstated how awful the attendance crisis is. Pupils, particularly disadvantaged pupils, are staying away from school in much larger numbers, and for more days than before covid.

It says that lockdowns broke the contract between parents and schools which said that school attendance was compulsory.

It blames parents for keeping their children home when they have a minor illness or are slightly anxious about school.

It quotes Bridget Phillipson, Shadow Education Secretary as saying "If I were secretary of state, I’d be sending a very clear message to parents that every day at school matters, and that irresponsible parents who don’t care about sending their kids to school are harming other kids’ life chances, not just their own"

(Whereas current Education Secretary Gillian) "Keegan will expand a programme that gives children skipping school an attendance mentor who could drive or walk youngsters from their home to school in the morning or negotiate with head teachers on their behalf. She said: “Persistent absence is a hangover from the pandemic affecting schools around the world. Schools and the government cannot do this alone.

“Families play a big part in attendance and parents have a legal duty to make sure their children are at school. I know it can be hard to get children out of the door, especially when they are feeling a bit anxious or have a mild cough or cold, so we must rebuild the social contract between parents and schools and make sure everyone plays their part.”

While lockdowns are brought up, what is not mentioned is the utter state schools were in between lockdowns and after lockdowns. Children were being supervised in halls rather than being taught due to lack of teachers who were ill (and this is still happening now due to inability to recruit). Lack of teachers meaning that kids get endless cover which can be largely a waste of time. Children who are anxious about attending school are expected to get on with it while teachers who are unable to cope with the poor behaviour of students are signed off with stress. The experience of children in schools during and since covid can be extraordinarily shit.

Attendance is much lower in pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds. Child poverty is not mentioned - I was reading about a child who couldn't attend school because her mother needed to use the one pair of shoes they shared. Other children are needed to look after younger siblings while parents work because they can't afford childcare. How will this be solved by sending a car around?

But we also know that schools in disadvantaged areas are more likely to struggle to hire staff. What is the point in a child attending school when they don't have teachers? How will Keegan and Phillipson argue that one?

This bit is the most worrying:

"A Labour government, Phillipson said, would place more emphasis on absenteeism as part of the Ofsted inspection framework, with schools compelled to produce an annual report on attendance, off-rolling (removing a pupil without using a permanent exclusion) and safeguarding. Schools are required to submit weekly attendance records to the Department for Education but absenteeism does not have its own Ofsted criteria, instead falling under a broader category of “behaviour and attitudes”.
These reports would affect the Ofsted rating given to schools, which would also take into account the progress they have made in shrinking the attainment gap between disadvantaged pupils and their more affluent peers"

Linking an Ofsted grading to attendance will just doom schools in disadvantaged areas to low Ofsted grades at a time when Ofsted had just started to recognise that grading a school based on disadvantage was a bad idea.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

Bridget Phillipson: Parents must save lockdown’s lost generation

The shadow education secretary takes aim at absenteeism as a poll reveals that one in four parents don’t think their child has to go to school each day

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

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withthischoice · 07/01/2024 16:29

confuseeedd · 07/01/2024 16:16

presumably the vast majority of children the same rule applied so everyone takes absence rates at the school with a pinch of salt?


To refuse to authorise future sickness absences based on a single absence period that was a legal requirement to miss school is absolutely ridiculous.

They both had unauthorised absences for vomiting bugs which would contribute towards getting a fine.

So if my kids had 5 instances of absence over the school year that a doctor wouldn't provide evidence for, I could potentially be fined.

you and all other children at this school?

The school must be issuing fines left right and centre at this school if you say they applied the rule to covid absences during the pandemic too @confuseeedd !

wronginalltherightways · 07/01/2024 16:29

noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 13:40

What the article also doesn't address is internal truancy which has also massively increased since covid. Kids who do come to school are just refusing to attend lessons once there, or picking and choosing which lessons to attend.

Yep. We even see this in our primary school.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 07/01/2024 16:29

As part of the issue to help those that are disruptive, have a separate set of classes for students that are struggling or have behavior management issues etc, and are all taught in classes with other students that have behavior management issues, then the ones that want to learn can carry on learning without lessons being disrupted which should help improve attendance of those that want to learn in a safe and non disruptive environment.

What about the students who are struggling but want to learn? It's also pretty impossible to divide the school neatly into 'disruptive' and 'want to learn'. In some cases, in KS4, there might be only one class for certain subjects. How would you divide the disruptive element out then? Either way, you'd need more teachers, and there already aren't enough.

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CombatLingerie · 07/01/2024 16:30

@Britneyfan excellent post agree wholeheartedly with you.

henrysugar12 · 07/01/2024 16:30

I think all the teachers strikes haven't helped either. It's like well you're wasting X amount of days of a child's education, it can't be as important as you say that they need to be in every day.

SushiSuave · 07/01/2024 16:30

In my opinion, the issue is a complete lack of resilience in children, and parents who don't challenge their children or push them to do something they don't want to do. Children have a slight cold and are kept off school for a week, missing entire learning journeys in some subjects and significant amounts of learning journeys in other subjects. I have known parents to consistently lie about why their child is not in school and yet people on this thread are saying the schools are to blame. As much as they try, school staff can only stop at your front door (not that they should have to collect children from home but they do), it's up to parents to get their children out of bed and out of the house.

Im sure I'll get a barrage of "my child has this/that and couldn't possibly cope with school every day", but I'm talking about the neurotypical children whose parents just don't care. There is a depressing number of these cases.

greengreengrass25 · 07/01/2024 16:32

I think so as well

Sometimes they need to step up. How are they going to get on outside of school afterwards

justasking111 · 07/01/2024 16:33

What type of parent keeps a healthy child off deliberately?

Bringonthesun24 · 07/01/2024 16:34

I'd say there are many reasons. Some which are really valid such as genuine anxiety and MH issues. Health issues or colds due to worse immune systems from being locked up for almost 3 years.

Then you get the other side where people don't see going to school as that important and can't be bothered to send children in. I know a few parents at my sons school who don't value education and they have "family" days together or their kids were tired because they didn't go to sleep until gone 11.

So I think there are 2 parts to it

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 16:36

justasking111 · 07/01/2024 16:33

What type of parent keeps a healthy child off deliberately?

can’t be arsed to take them school

it is raining

they are hungover

etc etc

SushiSuave · 07/01/2024 16:36

justasking111 · 07/01/2024 16:33

What type of parent keeps a healthy child off deliberately?

In my experience, parents who can not be bothered to get out of bed on time/ don't want to walk 20 minutes in the rain to drop their child off/ have other younger children to manage which is just a bit too much hard work. The list goes on.

SushiSuave · 07/01/2024 16:38

And obviously it goes without saying that the majority of these parents don't work which is why they can have their child at home whenever they want to.

Ketzele · 07/01/2024 16:40

BettyBakesCakes the LA Education Welfare Officer. Repeatedly. And the school.

Other people involved: my MP. The so-called post adoption support service. The LA family support service. The CAMHS psychologist who did an assessment for anxiety (and wrote to her bosses asking them to reconsider their refusal of a NL assessment - they refused her too). The very nice man who runs Adoption UK's education advice line, who has a PhD in adoption and education, who sits on any number of national advisory committees, who said to me, "I don't know what to tell you. I'm probably the UK's leading expert on this subject and my son's school still talks to me as though I'm an absolute idiot"😁

I've given up with CAMHS now - it's too late for my dd. In a couple of years she'll be out of school with no GCSEs. I reserve my energy on constant nagging/negotiating with the school, and supporting dd to see a way forward and to believe in her ability to build a life. It's not easy for these kids to retain self esteem: her sister is a straight A student who is off to uni and she is facing a bleak jobs landscape.

greengreengrass25 · 07/01/2024 16:40

Which is all the more reason that they should have their dc in education

justasking111 · 07/01/2024 16:40

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 16:36

can’t be arsed to take them school

it is raining

they are hungover

etc etc

Edited

So it's not about finances, mental health but sheer laziness.

Why do they have children

RheaRend · 07/01/2024 16:40

SushiSuave · 07/01/2024 16:36

In my experience, parents who can not be bothered to get out of bed on time/ don't want to walk 20 minutes in the rain to drop their child off/ have other younger children to manage which is just a bit too much hard work. The list goes on.

Oh yes! There are lots of these parents - if it rains, if no one can give them a lift to school (no mobility problems just bone idle) wanting a lie in, couldn't be bothered, it was too cold, it was still dark etc. The list is endless and it is all excuses after excuses. More and more parents can't be arsed.

greengreengrass25 · 07/01/2024 16:42

@justasking111

Financial or they have no aspiration

Plus they will be funded in this choice

SushiSuave · 07/01/2024 16:49

I can't be particularly specific but there was a report out just before Christmas that said that white lower class boys are now the lowest achieving group academically, and this is mainly due to poor attendance, generational poverty and parents having a poor attitude to/experience of education themselves. They just don't care and get by quite fine in their council houses and on benefits, so why does their child need qualifications and to get a job? Ultimately, they don't because a standard of living is still achievable for them.

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 16:49

justasking111 · 07/01/2024 16:40

So it's not about finances, mental health but sheer laziness.

Why do they have children

they can’t get their child to school because of finances?

mental health of parent you are talking about i presume given your question was about healthy children…. yes i’m sure this will be a reason for some.

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 16:51

justasking111 · 07/01/2024 16:40

So it's not about finances, mental health but sheer laziness.

Why do they have children

what else do they do? not like they have jobs or any aspirations or any qualifications or any idea of what a good, involved and loving parent looks like.
No amount of government intervention will help these kids

greengreengrass25 · 07/01/2024 16:51

SushiSuave · 07/01/2024 16:49

I can't be particularly specific but there was a report out just before Christmas that said that white lower class boys are now the lowest achieving group academically, and this is mainly due to poor attendance, generational poverty and parents having a poor attitude to/experience of education themselves. They just don't care and get by quite fine in their council houses and on benefits, so why does their child need qualifications and to get a job? Ultimately, they don't because a standard of living is still achievable for them.

I never really understand how this system has been allowed to continue for so long

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 16:53

I never really understand how this system has been allowed to continue for so long
because these parents have the gov over a barrel. they know that by penalising them financially, these people’s children will suffer

greengreengrass25 · 07/01/2024 16:55

They are suffering in some ways already with poor educational outcomes and their parents not being accountable

Araminta1003 · 07/01/2024 16:56

15 year olds in England are also pretty dissatisfied as a group, because they have to do GCSEs, which are quite intense. Many other OECD countries do not test at this age in such a formal, national way. It creates a fear of failure. Puts a lot of pressure on everyone, including teachers. There should be far more pathways in normal schools for teens who are just not that academic. If you only need Maths and English GCSE and practical skills later on, then why is this not OK to decide by 13/14ish? It should not be a one size fits all. Very academic kids can do 12 plus GCSEs if they want and others should be allowed to choose 3-4 or even less. Better to do well in those. But the comp school system does not allow for this.

StaunchMomma · 07/01/2024 17:00

All of the 'solutions' given in the article were happening when I was teaching over a decade ago, with the exception of Ofsted rulings.

Kids who need mentors to chase and drive them into school are usually battling huge social or mental issues - poverty, parents in prison/on drugs, crime/gangs or crippling mental health problems that they are left to deal with alone until they turn 18. For boys in particular, these things are made all the worse by them struggling academically and feeling the crippling embarrassment of that.

Taking a hard line with kids like this doesn't change anything. They need HELP.