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Parents to be asked to solve school attendance crisis

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noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 11:44

There is an article in the Times about the current school attendance crisis. It cannot be overstated how awful the attendance crisis is. Pupils, particularly disadvantaged pupils, are staying away from school in much larger numbers, and for more days than before covid.

It says that lockdowns broke the contract between parents and schools which said that school attendance was compulsory.

It blames parents for keeping their children home when they have a minor illness or are slightly anxious about school.

It quotes Bridget Phillipson, Shadow Education Secretary as saying "If I were secretary of state, I’d be sending a very clear message to parents that every day at school matters, and that irresponsible parents who don’t care about sending their kids to school are harming other kids’ life chances, not just their own"

(Whereas current Education Secretary Gillian) "Keegan will expand a programme that gives children skipping school an attendance mentor who could drive or walk youngsters from their home to school in the morning or negotiate with head teachers on their behalf. She said: “Persistent absence is a hangover from the pandemic affecting schools around the world. Schools and the government cannot do this alone.

“Families play a big part in attendance and parents have a legal duty to make sure their children are at school. I know it can be hard to get children out of the door, especially when they are feeling a bit anxious or have a mild cough or cold, so we must rebuild the social contract between parents and schools and make sure everyone plays their part.”

While lockdowns are brought up, what is not mentioned is the utter state schools were in between lockdowns and after lockdowns. Children were being supervised in halls rather than being taught due to lack of teachers who were ill (and this is still happening now due to inability to recruit). Lack of teachers meaning that kids get endless cover which can be largely a waste of time. Children who are anxious about attending school are expected to get on with it while teachers who are unable to cope with the poor behaviour of students are signed off with stress. The experience of children in schools during and since covid can be extraordinarily shit.

Attendance is much lower in pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds. Child poverty is not mentioned - I was reading about a child who couldn't attend school because her mother needed to use the one pair of shoes they shared. Other children are needed to look after younger siblings while parents work because they can't afford childcare. How will this be solved by sending a car around?

But we also know that schools in disadvantaged areas are more likely to struggle to hire staff. What is the point in a child attending school when they don't have teachers? How will Keegan and Phillipson argue that one?

This bit is the most worrying:

"A Labour government, Phillipson said, would place more emphasis on absenteeism as part of the Ofsted inspection framework, with schools compelled to produce an annual report on attendance, off-rolling (removing a pupil without using a permanent exclusion) and safeguarding. Schools are required to submit weekly attendance records to the Department for Education but absenteeism does not have its own Ofsted criteria, instead falling under a broader category of “behaviour and attitudes”.
These reports would affect the Ofsted rating given to schools, which would also take into account the progress they have made in shrinking the attainment gap between disadvantaged pupils and their more affluent peers"

Linking an Ofsted grading to attendance will just doom schools in disadvantaged areas to low Ofsted grades at a time when Ofsted had just started to recognise that grading a school based on disadvantage was a bad idea.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

Bridget Phillipson: Parents must save lockdown’s lost generation

The shadow education secretary takes aim at absenteeism as a poll reveals that one in four parents don’t think their child has to go to school each day

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

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withthischoice · 07/01/2024 15:55

borntobequiet · 07/01/2024 15:52

the parents of these children…. stand at pick up with their iphones?

I’m not sure how a parental iPhone is supposed to help one or more children access school resources adequately.

their priority as to how to spend money

they get an iphone
meaning their child gets no tech access

allnewfor2024 · 07/01/2024 15:55

Thanks @Mammillaria - those are exactly the kind of questions that need to be answered.

Araminta1003 · 07/01/2024 15:56

“Perhaps the government should be wondering whether there is a link between low school attendance and the latest PISA results that show our teens have the second lowest life satisfaction in the OECD.

"Dive into the PISA wellbeing statistics and a worrying picture emerges. UK children score poorly on many measures. On persistence, empathy, cooperation, stress resistance, and emotional control, they consistently rank poorly and below countries like France, Germany, Spain, Sweden and the USA. They even score poorly on curiosity,” replies Gill.”

The question I would be asking instead is how it compares to adults in our society. I bet it isn’t too different. Lots of dissatisfied moaners around these days amongst adults too, all fuelled by a hateful press and divisions within the country. Not sure what schools have to do with it? The whole point is that kids are only in school for 6 hours a day and the rest of the time they are at home, around their parents, on social media, with their friends. Well-being is not just driven by school, far from it.

Out of my 4 DC I have only struggled with attendance with 1 DS. That is because Covid taught him that he learns perfectly well alone using online resources. He is resentful that I and DH work from home 2-3 days a week and he has to show up for the sake of it. He is very academic and finds the whole of school a bit of a waste of time.

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borntobequiet · 07/01/2024 15:57

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 15:55

their priority as to how to spend money

they get an iphone
meaning their child gets no tech access

Serious heavy lifting being done by flimsy assumptions here.

shieldmaiden7 · 07/01/2024 15:57

My children's school is apart of the Athena trust so they can still be in school every day and have terrible attendance 🤦🏻‍♀️

Cerealkiller4U · 07/01/2024 15:58

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 15:15

i believe a tiny minority didn’t have access to technology

you can bet your bottom dollar that in many cases… the parents of the children most definitely had access to access precious social media accounts

Bollocks!

I knoe of a few families who don’t have money to heat their house! I know people who have to choose to either eat or go to work….

and you reckon all these families have phones and laptops!!?!

noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 15:58

Lots of dissatisfied moaners around these days amongst adults too

Hmm, I'm not sure the teen mental health crisis should be described as 'dissatisfied moaners'.

However, if we have the lowest teen life satisfaction scores in the OECD bar Turkey, and kids are not turning up to school in droves, perhaps one should wonder whether the two are linked.

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Ketzele · 07/01/2024 16:00

My eldest child has had near 100% attendance throughout school. My youngest, as low as 3%. She has basically missed three years of school, and has only recently been attending regularly.

During that time I have been blamed and threatened and judged. It has taken a huge toll on me, as a working single parent.

My daughter is adopted and has marked attachment disorder and anxiety. She also very clearly has ADHD and problems with her learning. She needs reasonable adjustments but these can only be put in place with a diagnosis from a CAMHS psychiatrist. CAMHS has refused to assess her because, variously, she hasn't been at school enough for a school assessment, and because the symptoms of ADHD could also be explained by attachment/anxiety (true) so I need to get those cured first before an assessment (wtf).

She has been having private therapy from a specialist in attachment (helpful) and I paid for a private Ed psych report which confirmed the extent of her learning problems but can't unlock school adjustments without a CAMHS assessment.

I am sick of hearing that the problem is parents, without acknowledgment that CAMHS is, in many areas, utterly broken and not fit for purpose.

I don't expect anyone has read this far but that's OK, it's just good to vent. Just to add that while all this was going on I was struggling to get my ex diagnosed with young onset Alzheimers. Again, a year wasted arguing with doctors who told me they couldn't assess this while she was depressed. Of course they could, and eventually did.

I have worked and paid taxes for nearly 40 years. I adopted one child out of the care system and provide unpaid care for someone with dementia (who I am divorced from, but there is no one else to do it). My life is not a picnic. There is no help. The only bit of the system that functions is the regular letters reminding me that I am breaking the law. I would love Gillian Keegan to let me know what she would do in my place.

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 16:01

However, if we have the lowest teen life satisfaction scores in the OECD bar Turkey,

has anyone got a teen or know a teen who have been surveyed on all these surveys about their mental health?

MrsHamlet · 07/01/2024 16:03

I am sick of hearing that the problem is parents, without acknowledgment that CAMHS is, in many areas, utterly broken and not fit for purpose.

Where I work, CAMHS might as well not exist. We'd been pushing for a referral for a vulnerable child for ages with no success. Then she made a suicide attempt. Tragically, that's what it took for someone to see her.

Ketzele · 07/01/2024 16:06

Seems I've not finished my rant. Many of my child's teachers have been very good with her, but school have significantly less scope for flexibility with troubled kids than they used to. In the name of driving up standards (and reducing costs) there is absolutely no space for square pegs in the school system any more.

TrashedSofa · 07/01/2024 16:07

During that time I have been blamed and threatened and judged. It has taken a huge toll on me, as a working single parent.

I can well believe it. One thing that's crystal clear is the mechanisms we have wrt how parents are treated are completely failing.

At the extreme end, there's loads of bullying of easy targets, as a cover for the way many DC are entirely failed. Which is basically what happened to you. Easier to stick the boot into you than to actually provide your DC with an education. At the other end of the spectrum, stupid pointless fines for term time holidays that haven't been proven to help and alienate some parents.

demonheed · 07/01/2024 16:07

I have friends who keep their kids off on a whim. Then slag the school off to high heaven for sending an attendance officer out.

One woman is taking her kids out next week for a holiday. And in April for a holiday. And in may for a holiday. She took them on holiday the first week in September and also in early December. Some of these holidays are Haven type trips, others abroad. She says, "well it's the only way I can afford to go on holiday". Surely just going on one or two holidays a year would be viable?!

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 16:11

demonheed · 07/01/2024 16:07

I have friends who keep their kids off on a whim. Then slag the school off to high heaven for sending an attendance officer out.

One woman is taking her kids out next week for a holiday. And in April for a holiday. And in may for a holiday. She took them on holiday the first week in September and also in early December. Some of these holidays are Haven type trips, others abroad. She says, "well it's the only way I can afford to go on holiday". Surely just going on one or two holidays a year would be viable?!

and i bet she whinged endlessly
about shit and unsupportive her school was during lockdown.

No doubt on mumsnet

Prisecco2 · 07/01/2024 16:11

I would

Reduce the d&v days probably to 24h. Possibly from y1 or2 onward.

Reception i would remove the attendance percentages (as its term after 5 anyway).
Actually would be more relaxed with attendance ks1.
It needs to refkect the importsnce of different stages.

I would have schools break up first week juky. It really drags on. Missing any good uk weather at all.

Make it easier to exclude permanently. As a few kids are making many hate school.

I dont think its about percentages. Its more - have they missed sometiphing vital.

Putting more work online wouod help as whether its illness or term time holiday some parents would get kids to revi it to catch up.
There is probably generally 1 kid per class of 30 off.

Not using text books means uk kids are more likely to miss important lessons

We also make it expensive to attend.
School lunches, uniform, trips, (parties), hours not fitting round work, expensive before and after clubs, bus fares...

Cupcakes2024 · 07/01/2024 16:12

NoraBattysCurlers · 07/01/2024 15:46

Another one of these many completely disingenuous posts by @noblegiraffe written at cross purposes.

You can always skip the thread.

confuseeedd · 07/01/2024 16:16

presumably the vast majority of children the same rule applied so everyone takes absence rates at the school with a pinch of salt?


To refuse to authorise future sickness absences based on a single absence period that was a legal requirement to miss school is absolutely ridiculous.

They both had unauthorised absences for vomiting bugs which would contribute towards getting a fine.

So if my kids had 5 instances of absence over the school year that a doctor wouldn't provide evidence for, I could potentially be fined.

Cupcakes2024 · 07/01/2024 16:18

As part of the issue to help those that are disruptive, have a separate set of classes for students that are struggling or have behavior management issues etc, and are all taught in classes with other students that have behavior management issues, then the ones that want to learn can carry on learning without lessons being disrupted which should help improve attendance of those that want to learn in a safe and non disruptive environment.

Jellycatspyjamas · 07/01/2024 16:19

Well-being is not just driven by school, far from it.

Of course wellbeing is driven by more than school but being forced into an environment that is actively hostile to your needs 5 days a week is going to undermine most efforts to support your wellbeing.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/01/2024 16:22

Cupcakes2024 · 07/01/2024 16:18

As part of the issue to help those that are disruptive, have a separate set of classes for students that are struggling or have behavior management issues etc, and are all taught in classes with other students that have behavior management issues, then the ones that want to learn can carry on learning without lessons being disrupted which should help improve attendance of those that want to learn in a safe and non disruptive environment.

That class couldn’t be taught by one teacher though.

Araminta1003 · 07/01/2024 16:23

https://www.oecd.org/els/family/CWBDP_Factsheet_GBR.pdf

The dissatisfaction thing is not new news.

MrsHamlet · 07/01/2024 16:23

Cupcakes2024 · 07/01/2024 16:18

As part of the issue to help those that are disruptive, have a separate set of classes for students that are struggling or have behavior management issues etc, and are all taught in classes with other students that have behavior management issues, then the ones that want to learn can carry on learning without lessons being disrupted which should help improve attendance of those that want to learn in a safe and non disruptive environment.

Who is going to be teaching these students?

Shinyandnew1 · 07/01/2024 16:25

Cupcakes2024 · 07/01/2024 16:18

As part of the issue to help those that are disruptive, have a separate set of classes for students that are struggling or have behavior management issues etc, and are all taught in classes with other students that have behavior management issues, then the ones that want to learn can carry on learning without lessons being disrupted which should help improve attendance of those that want to learn in a safe and non disruptive environment.

We would need double the teachers and classrooms for each class.

BettyBakesCakes · 07/01/2024 16:25

Ketzele · 07/01/2024 16:00

My eldest child has had near 100% attendance throughout school. My youngest, as low as 3%. She has basically missed three years of school, and has only recently been attending regularly.

During that time I have been blamed and threatened and judged. It has taken a huge toll on me, as a working single parent.

My daughter is adopted and has marked attachment disorder and anxiety. She also very clearly has ADHD and problems with her learning. She needs reasonable adjustments but these can only be put in place with a diagnosis from a CAMHS psychiatrist. CAMHS has refused to assess her because, variously, she hasn't been at school enough for a school assessment, and because the symptoms of ADHD could also be explained by attachment/anxiety (true) so I need to get those cured first before an assessment (wtf).

She has been having private therapy from a specialist in attachment (helpful) and I paid for a private Ed psych report which confirmed the extent of her learning problems but can't unlock school adjustments without a CAMHS assessment.

I am sick of hearing that the problem is parents, without acknowledgment that CAMHS is, in many areas, utterly broken and not fit for purpose.

I don't expect anyone has read this far but that's OK, it's just good to vent. Just to add that while all this was going on I was struggling to get my ex diagnosed with young onset Alzheimers. Again, a year wasted arguing with doctors who told me they couldn't assess this while she was depressed. Of course they could, and eventually did.

I have worked and paid taxes for nearly 40 years. I adopted one child out of the care system and provide unpaid care for someone with dementia (who I am divorced from, but there is no one else to do it). My life is not a picnic. There is no help. The only bit of the system that functions is the regular letters reminding me that I am breaking the law. I would love Gillian Keegan to let me know what she would do in my place.

Who told you you need a CAMHS assessment to unlock support? That's not true. Apply for an EHC needs assessment and EHCP. Get on Ipsea and read about your child's legal rights ti education and Sen support. It's a fight though.

DragonFly98 · 07/01/2024 16:26

Prisecco2 · 07/01/2024 16:11

I would

Reduce the d&v days probably to 24h. Possibly from y1 or2 onward.

Reception i would remove the attendance percentages (as its term after 5 anyway).
Actually would be more relaxed with attendance ks1.
It needs to refkect the importsnce of different stages.

I would have schools break up first week juky. It really drags on. Missing any good uk weather at all.

Make it easier to exclude permanently. As a few kids are making many hate school.

I dont think its about percentages. Its more - have they missed sometiphing vital.

Putting more work online wouod help as whether its illness or term time holiday some parents would get kids to revi it to catch up.
There is probably generally 1 kid per class of 30 off.

Not using text books means uk kids are more likely to miss important lessons

We also make it expensive to attend.
School lunches, uniform, trips, (parties), hours not fitting round work, expensive before and after clubs, bus fares...

I would

Reduce the d&v days probably to 24h.
not give a shit about medically vulnerable pupils or staff.
Act confused when abcense rates were even higher as bugs sweep through the school due to pupils attending while still contagious

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