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Parents to be asked to solve school attendance crisis

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noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 11:44

There is an article in the Times about the current school attendance crisis. It cannot be overstated how awful the attendance crisis is. Pupils, particularly disadvantaged pupils, are staying away from school in much larger numbers, and for more days than before covid.

It says that lockdowns broke the contract between parents and schools which said that school attendance was compulsory.

It blames parents for keeping their children home when they have a minor illness or are slightly anxious about school.

It quotes Bridget Phillipson, Shadow Education Secretary as saying "If I were secretary of state, I’d be sending a very clear message to parents that every day at school matters, and that irresponsible parents who don’t care about sending their kids to school are harming other kids’ life chances, not just their own"

(Whereas current Education Secretary Gillian) "Keegan will expand a programme that gives children skipping school an attendance mentor who could drive or walk youngsters from their home to school in the morning or negotiate with head teachers on their behalf. She said: “Persistent absence is a hangover from the pandemic affecting schools around the world. Schools and the government cannot do this alone.

“Families play a big part in attendance and parents have a legal duty to make sure their children are at school. I know it can be hard to get children out of the door, especially when they are feeling a bit anxious or have a mild cough or cold, so we must rebuild the social contract between parents and schools and make sure everyone plays their part.”

While lockdowns are brought up, what is not mentioned is the utter state schools were in between lockdowns and after lockdowns. Children were being supervised in halls rather than being taught due to lack of teachers who were ill (and this is still happening now due to inability to recruit). Lack of teachers meaning that kids get endless cover which can be largely a waste of time. Children who are anxious about attending school are expected to get on with it while teachers who are unable to cope with the poor behaviour of students are signed off with stress. The experience of children in schools during and since covid can be extraordinarily shit.

Attendance is much lower in pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds. Child poverty is not mentioned - I was reading about a child who couldn't attend school because her mother needed to use the one pair of shoes they shared. Other children are needed to look after younger siblings while parents work because they can't afford childcare. How will this be solved by sending a car around?

But we also know that schools in disadvantaged areas are more likely to struggle to hire staff. What is the point in a child attending school when they don't have teachers? How will Keegan and Phillipson argue that one?

This bit is the most worrying:

"A Labour government, Phillipson said, would place more emphasis on absenteeism as part of the Ofsted inspection framework, with schools compelled to produce an annual report on attendance, off-rolling (removing a pupil without using a permanent exclusion) and safeguarding. Schools are required to submit weekly attendance records to the Department for Education but absenteeism does not have its own Ofsted criteria, instead falling under a broader category of “behaviour and attitudes”.
These reports would affect the Ofsted rating given to schools, which would also take into account the progress they have made in shrinking the attainment gap between disadvantaged pupils and their more affluent peers"

Linking an Ofsted grading to attendance will just doom schools in disadvantaged areas to low Ofsted grades at a time when Ofsted had just started to recognise that grading a school based on disadvantage was a bad idea.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

Bridget Phillipson: Parents must save lockdown’s lost generation

The shadow education secretary takes aim at absenteeism as a poll reveals that one in four parents don’t think their child has to go to school each day

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1d7eb40d-c4c4-4dcc-85ea-ad6f62c65b9c?shareToken=6c4b865c0c1b8626f2761a5ad733b608

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withthischoice · 07/01/2024 15:27

Shinyandnew1 · 07/01/2024 15:24

i believe a tiny minority didn’t have access to technology

Well it was a huge problem in the two schools I worked in.

the parents of these children…. stand at pick up with their iphones?

confuseeedd · 07/01/2024 15:28

It's made very hard to be on the schools side and be supportive.

My kids have always had very good attendance, around 98-100% every year.

During the height of the pandemic they were locked down and not attending school at-all. We homeschooled every day, did the work school provided, and when school did open up fully we sent the kids straight back in.

In September 2021 they both got Covid and it was during a time when it was a legal obligation to isolate, report test results, stay at home for 10 days etc... so the kids were off for around 2 weeks of school and subsequently had around 92% attendance by the end of the year.

They were both put on their 12 month attendance monitoring scheme, which means absolutely no absence will be authorised (including vomiting/diarrhoea bugs) unless you have a doctors note/appointment card.

I argued that this was unfair because their only absence was due to it being a legal requirement to stay at home, but I was told thems the rules.

NYE2023 · 07/01/2024 15:29

The Dept of Education funded a study carried out by Leeds Uni ( Prof Cath Noakes ). They compared schools in Bradford - some of them had mechanical ventilation put in and compared to controls . We haven’t seen the detail but as early as Sept 23 we knew the conclusion because it was referenced in the “Northern child” report and it showed a “significant reduction in absence in schools with mechanical ventilation “ so mystifying why the Govt is ignoring this. You might say cost but actually HEPA units are fairly low cost ( don’t have to be fancy pant Dysons ) - a decent unit can be bought for £120 Can schools can reclaim VAT. Yes there are a lot of classrooms but I think I’ve seen an estimate of a total Bill of £124m .

cleaner air has lots of advantages. 1. Reduces airborne viruses like Covid , noro , measles etc so reduces chance of passing these on to classmate & teachers 2. Reduces asthma triggers like pollutants & pollen 3. Reduces pollen for hay fever suffers. 4. Reduces toxic pollutants

it also has the added bonus of increasing concentration . We all know how sleepy we get in a stuffy room . The NEU references a study that then improvement in concentration is equivalent to 1/3 reduction in class size per a US study .

given we also know ( per ONS ) over 30k kids have had hospital admissions from Covid during the pandemic -so it’s not always a cold for some .we also know some kids will get long Covid still . we also know that right now lots of viruses are doing the rounds - RSV, flu and Covid so it’s not going to get better imminently . If there is at least some reduction In passing things on - and the Bradford study was quite clear on that , then surely that’s something we should do .

Germany installed HEPA in schools in 2021 & France in 2022/23. It might surprise you to know so has the Houses of Parliament !

I realise that there are some wider issues than just illness but the DfE own stats show this is a big cause of absence .

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TiptoeTess · 07/01/2024 15:29

I lost all respect for teachers during the pandemic. They did the absolute minimum round here, while I worked fulltime and drowned in it all. So yeah: the contract was irrevocably broken, but not by me.

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 15:30

GiantCheeseMonster · 07/01/2024 15:18

You can do social media on a phone. Try typing an essay on one, or even using it to access revision materials. The pandemic really highlighted that many children don’t have laptops or access to WiFi.

agreed.

however…. if they’ve prioritised their iphones over very basic tech access for their child?

Meadowy · 07/01/2024 15:31

I’ve name changed. I’m a teacher in an independent school, despite the fact that parents are paying, we have seen a huge increase in low attendance. There are always cases when children have a long term condition or eg a bad chest infection that reduces their attendance, that hasn’t changed. The big change is that we now have a significant number who regularly miss a couple of non-consecutive days a month, for things like a cold or tiredness. These days really add up over the year and seriously affect the children’s performance. But each time the parents insist that it is necessary! It would be much better to come into school feeling a bit less than 100% (with a minor cold or a bit tired) than to miss a whole day. Lessons or always planned in sequence so missing a day will be affecting progress in a range of subjects. This has only happened with day pupils, even though boarders are not allowed into school with a temperature or sickness.

withthischoice · 07/01/2024 15:31

confuseeedd · 07/01/2024 15:28

It's made very hard to be on the schools side and be supportive.

My kids have always had very good attendance, around 98-100% every year.

During the height of the pandemic they were locked down and not attending school at-all. We homeschooled every day, did the work school provided, and when school did open up fully we sent the kids straight back in.

In September 2021 they both got Covid and it was during a time when it was a legal obligation to isolate, report test results, stay at home for 10 days etc... so the kids were off for around 2 weeks of school and subsequently had around 92% attendance by the end of the year.

They were both put on their 12 month attendance monitoring scheme, which means absolutely no absence will be authorised (including vomiting/diarrhoea bugs) unless you have a doctors note/appointment card.

I argued that this was unfair because their only absence was due to it being a legal requirement to stay at home, but I was told thems the rules.

presumably the vast majority of children the same rule applied so everyone takes absence rates at the school with a pinch of salt?

FrippEnos · 07/01/2024 15:32

TiptoeTess · 07/01/2024 15:29

I lost all respect for teachers during the pandemic. They did the absolute minimum round here, while I worked fulltime and drowned in it all. So yeah: the contract was irrevocably broken, but not by me.

All teachers or just the ones at your children's school?

Cerealkiller4U · 07/01/2024 15:33

WhatsitWiggle · 07/01/2024 14:20

My child was diagnosed with autism last year (private, as CAMHS is 3 year wait list - it was 6 months before they even got in contact, 12 months before sending the screening assessments). Her anxiety was bad as soon as she transitioned to secondary school, going back after lockdowns just got harder and harder. She is intelligent but the large school environment, with multiple transitions every day, sensory overload, and so much pressure was just too much - she said she wanted to kill herself.

And despite this, her school just said "she's fine in school", "you have to get her in". And I tried, I really did. I got her up, dressed and drove her to that building every day for three weeks. Watched her have a panic attack in reception. Took her back home again. Sat with her every night as she cried and begged me not to make her go to school. Watched her stop eating because she was too anxious. Called every number I could find on the council's Local Offer page for help. Completed form after form. Got repeatedly told I was on the waitlist for support but there was a lot of demand for the services, it would be 6, 7, 8 or more months before she'd be seen.

So absolutely I stopped sending her. I got the GP letters they demanded. I asked for their help in telling me what was being studied so she could do some work from home; they told me they couldn't do that. I wrote to the LA demanding alternative education provision. I got told demand for this service was higher than they could support, and it was six months before we got offered anything, by which point she'd lost most of year 10.

I don't believe for one second that 25% of parents in this country are wilfully keeping their children off school for the hell of it. Yes there's truancy. But there's also unsupported poverty, where parents simply can't afford the uniform, books, transport which will have increased in the last 18 months. And unsupported SEN and SEMH needs with chronic underfunding.

Government needs to stop bleating that children need to be in school, when the truth is they need an education appropriate to their ability. The sooner we start to create environments that support that, the better.

This is why I took my child out. They had ADHD and life with school was so hard. I spent hours listening to her say she didn’t want to go. I spent hours all weekend with her crying and not leaving my side. I spent hours outside of school whilst she clung to a lamp post and begged me hysterically crying whilst the teachers came out to drag her in……I actually collapsed one day because I’d had to carry her for over a mile. I remember one of the receptionists saying I had to get her into school…I had to force her into the car. She was 7 and have you ever tried to force a hysterical child into a car and then they try to throw themselves out??

of course gone educating is hard. But I’d do it again every single time because of her mental health. Her mental health now is incredible and it’s taken years. I mean maybe 4 years now? And she’s only really flourishing from the trauma at school. She’s learning to love learning again and she’s truly truly becoming this beautiful kind, empathetic child.

mall I want is for my children to be happy and I’m lucky that they are now. I really don’t believe taking them out has done any damage. I’ve seen it over and over again from children who struggled in school and join us and gradually come out of their shell. It’s incredible!

Epidote · 07/01/2024 15:34

Governments of many countries took the piss of their own rules during COVID. Now they rip what they saw.

blettedmedlar · 07/01/2024 15:34

I've often wondered why someone hasn't brought a case of indirect disability discrimination in regards to attendance awards. At the very least, it should be like the workplace where disability related sickness is treated as a separate category.

Jellycatspyjamas · 07/01/2024 15:36

however…. if they’ve prioritised their iphones over very basic tech access for their child?

So pre-pandemic a parent takes an iPhone on a 2 year contract, 4 months later schools close and there’s not a laptop to be bought for love nor money, and the parent is furloughed so making ends meet on 80% of their income, or is self employed and doesn’t qualify for financial support.

The same challenges presented to schools in changing their way of working overnight applied to families and parents too.

Fullofxmascbeer · 07/01/2024 15:38

It will soon get much much worse. Our school has constant supply cover staff - not even qualified supply teachers. Or supply TA,s. Not even good quality ones, just who they can manage to get. Unfortunately there are also quite a few who barely speak English, or it’s difficult to understand their accent. Sad but true.

It’s a nightmare, with no consistency at all. The good staff get increasingly frustrated/stressed, and are leaving in droves. It’s a vicious cycle.

justasking111 · 07/01/2024 15:38

Frankly it's all gone bonkers attendance wise. Back when I was a child in the 60's my mother kept me off writing a note when I was ill. My children in the 80s I wrote a note when they were off school. All very sensible.

Then came the attendance rulez pressure on the parents who then sent in sick kids which led to more sick kids.

I went on to university as did my kids despite being off when ill.

tsmainsqueeze · 07/01/2024 15:39

The contract certainly is broken, i think a lot of kids genuinely thrived in the 1st lockdown my youngest did and lots of parents did a good job of educating at home, i imagine many kids learning experience was greatly improved during this time.
All that effort and hard work , difficulties and compromises families made during that time became a kick in the teeth when it came to light all the rule breaking going on in the government while the majority of us did as we were told.
Schools, ofsted and government trying to tell us whats best for our own children doesn't help either .

Picklemeyellow · 07/01/2024 15:41

My youngest dc will leave school this year (and can only comment on the one school secondary both dc attended) but I personally will let out a huge sigh of relief and a very heavy weight will lift off my shoulders.

My eldest, now 18, had a terrible time at school. He suffered from awful anxiety and what I can only describe as school anxiety/refusal. It was beyond impossible trying to get him to a place he refused to go to. The school offered zero help or constructive advice. They were only interested in box ticking and not my son’s emotional welfare. The attendance officer would ring me and demand I got him into school, I would ask her advice on getting a 6ft tall, 11 stone angry and upset young man into school when I am only 5’4 and a lot lighter. She would state she didn’t know the answer to that other than I must try! The head teacher and HOY weren’t helpful either.

Since leaving ds has thrived and is a happy and contented 18 year old.

The school system and most importantly our next to useless government must accept there is so many poor mental health issues within the school system and most parents are helpless and need advice and support NOT berating.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 07/01/2024 15:43

I lost all respect for teachers during the pandemic. They did the absolute minimum round here, while I worked fulltime and drowned in it all. So yeah: the contract was irrevocably broken, but not by me.

Do you mean the individual teachers were lazing around failing to do what the school asked them to, or that the schools overall did not have an acceptable level of online provision? Classroom teachers don't get to decide whether their school closes or what the school policy is about online provision.

noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 15:44

Perhaps the government should be wondering whether there is a link between low school attendance and the latest PISA results that show our teens have the second lowest life satisfaction in the OECD.

"Dive into the PISA wellbeing statistics and a worrying picture emerges. UK children score poorly on many measures. On persistence, empathy, cooperation, stress resistance, and emotional control, they consistently rank poorly and below countries like France, Germany, Spain, Sweden and the USA. They even score poorly on curiosity,” replies Gill.

“Yet they score highly on levels of family support,” Gill adds. “This strongly suggests the problem lies with schools and the education system.”

https://www.thedeveloper.live/opinion/opinion/why-do-uk-teens-have-among-the-lowest-life-satisfaction-in-the-oecd

Why do UK teens have among the lowest life satisfaction in the OECD?

The PISA academic results place the UK in the global top ten for math, science and reading, but near the bottom of the league table for life satisfaction, empathy, belonging and curiosity. Why are Britain’s kids not doing great?

https://www.thedeveloper.live/opinion/opinion/why-do-uk-teens-have-among-the-lowest-life-satisfaction-in-the-oecd

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Mammillaria · 07/01/2024 15:44

Like most difficult to solve problems, pupil absence will have many overlapping and interlocking causes.

Ultimately the aim is not to improve attendance for the sake of attendance, but to improve attainment and life chances.

I'll preface the next bit by saying that I have no particular opinion one way of another, I just find statistics fascinating...

There is a strongly evidenced correlation between attendance and likelihood of meeting KS2 and KS4 milestones. For KS4 this is 5 GCSEs A*-C including English and Maths. report here

What would be more useful, of course, is more data to firmly establish a causative link. E.g. are children who are more likely to fail their exams (for whatever reason) more likely to be absent from school, or is it the absence itself that is causing the failure. My guess would be that both factors apply and converge into a sort of spiral of doom.

It would also be useful to know if the effect is the same amongst the lowest and highest achieving sets of children. After all, around 25% of children missed the equivalent of 1 day per week and still managed to hit their GCSE milestone. Did that 1 day per week cost those children 1 grade? 2? What about the 21% of children who failed to pass despite near-perfect attendance?

If you could somehow force children into schools, would attainment improve as seemingly predicted by the research? Or does improvement only happen when the underlying reasons for the low attendance are also addressed?

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 07/01/2024 15:45

became a kick in the teeth when it came to light all the rule breaking going on in the government while the majority of us did as we were told.

What has that got to do with schools though? Schools and teachers were doing as they were told too.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 07/01/2024 15:46

Shit CAMHS
Shit MH support in schools
Shit value placed upon professionals

Well being post pandemic not addressed.
Shit Tory government blaming the most vulnerable again. Attendance in Primary 1,2,3 at an all time low. This is only the start.

NoraBattysCurlers · 07/01/2024 15:46

Another one of these many completely disingenuous posts by @noblegiraffe written at cross purposes.

noblegiraffe · 07/01/2024 15:48

NoraBattysCurlers · 07/01/2024 15:46

Another one of these many completely disingenuous posts by @noblegiraffe written at cross purposes.

Eh?

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borntobequiet · 07/01/2024 15:52

the parents of these children…. stand at pick up with their iphones?

I’m not sure how a parental iPhone is supposed to help one or more children access school resources adequately.

TrashedSofa · 07/01/2024 15:54

I think it's just inevitable that interfering as we did with the social contract was going to have long lasting repercussions, unfortunately. Personally, I just don't place any value at all on the views of a state that thought my children's socialisation and education were collateral. There are plenty like me: I happen to value attendance, but not everyone who feels this disillusioned does.

And I think this would've been the case even if we didn't also have the associated complicating factors like child poverty, CAMHS services that are more hypothetical than real, grossly insufficient pay for education sector staff etc. But of course we do, so that makes it even more of a problem.

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