Yet *another* mass shooting in the USA

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-67884835

When will they ever learn?

We never had way more guns than people though, like the US has. Not even close. There are too many guns there for an amnesty to work like it did in the U.K. and Australia.

The best the USA can hope for is tightening of controls and licenses, banning of assault rifles, improved - and crucially - free mental health care, and a gradual generational shift in attitude over the years.

@LlynTegid and @tarheelbaby ............
PROFUSE apologies to you both.
I have mistakenly attributed comments made by @tarheelbaby to @LlynTegid!
So sorry 🤦🏻‍♀️

@LindyLou2020 , no worries. You gave some excellent insight into the 'sour grapes'. Your situation: daughter living in the US with US in-laws is a great window for the armchair cowboys on MN.
This sentence describes it well:
'There seems to be a weird British delight in stridently running down and criticising America and Americans, and of course it has its vile aspects, just as everywhere has, including the UK.'
When Bush and Trump were president, there were constant jibes. To be fair, in UK presentations, there are pot-shots at the French and whoever else is in the news at the time.
I doubt any presentations in the US reference the UK PM and probably not negatively. In my experience, in the US, any reference to the late queen or any member of the UK royal family was/is positive.
To me, it feels like sibling rivalry: the US is the younger sibling and doing well so the UK has to get in the last word and or play down any success or condemn 'childish' behaviour. That's sour grapes, innit ....
But there does seem to be more admiration or at least toleration for Anglo South Africans and for Aussies. And I don't see many threads bemoaning gun violence in South Africa and offering political advice.

I would never try to say that the US is perfect or some kind of Nirvana/Xanadu/Paradise - nowhere is.

But most Mumsnetters who live in the UK would be extremely offended to see a thread like this, full of opinion based on personal feeling, discussed mostly by people who have never even been to the UK and have no direct connection to it, about a hot-button issue like Brexit (those few in the US who have even heard of it think it was totally moronic to leave the EU).

Also, as nasty as Brits can be about the US, they should remember that most in the US neither know nor care who is PM. Ask them and many would say Tony Blair or Boris Johnson. This is what I remember when the presenter makes a mean, not very accurate joke, in a presentation: for all that the UK agonises, obsesses, about the US, most in the US don't even think about the UK.

@tarheelbaby
Yes, I've found that one of the downsides of talking to American people in the US is that many of them can be incredibly insular and almost uninterested in the world at large. Unless they're "doing Europe"! Or "cruising"!
I try to make allowances for this by realising that the US is huge, so much to see, and that it is much easier and cheaper for us Brits to visit countries in Europe than it is for the "Yanks".

People in the UK (well mostly England) like to rag on the US because they like to complain and feel superior, and it's one of the last remaining acceptable prejudices. Most of the time it just comes as across as parochial.

There are millions of people in the US who would like guns banned, but unfortunately the laws are not set up that way. Each state makes its own laws and where I live, we have extremely tight laws, but you can drive to any neighboring state and legally buy pretty much any weapon.

As someone mentioned, the NRA fight tirelessly to block any common sense laws. Most people in the US are in favor of a ban on assault weapons, would like comprehensive background checks, waiting periods and gun safety training, but the Republicans block this at every turn. At gun shows, you can pretty much walk in and buy a gun on the spot.

I believe it was Bill Clinton’s administration that did implement an assault weapons ban, but it expired and the Republican administration didn’t renew it.

When 2 of my kids were at university, I received an “active shooter” alert on my phone 3 times. It’s not pleasant. In all cases, the “shooter” was actually not on campus (urban location) but was a garden variety criminal. Still scary.

At gun shows, you can pretty much walk in and buy a gun on the spot.

"Bowling for Columbine" opens with Michael Moore opening a bank account to get the "free rifle with every new account".

seems relevant

https://www.rawstory.com/mark-mccloskey-2666879198

Plus an open southern border that cannot keep out the myriad of drugs will just increase the number of guns brought in for gangs and cartels and other criminal elements.
So far, no criminal has ever had trouble getting a gun or using it.