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NotDoingOk · 04/01/2024 18:31

Oh god. I have relatives that live near there

nammmmechannnnnge · 04/01/2024 18:34

Redshoeblueshoe · 04/01/2024 18:26

Apparently the 4th mass shooting this year according to Sky news

Wiki says 6

ChimneyPot · 04/01/2024 18:46

391 people have died from gun violence in the US so far in 2024.

VariantHela · 04/01/2024 18:46

Wtf it's the 4th January..

ChihuahuaMummy · 04/01/2024 18:47

ChimneyPot · 04/01/2024 18:46

391 people have died from gun violence in the US so far in 2024.

In 4 days?!! What?? 😳

IncompleteSenten · 04/01/2024 18:49

Weapons are big business and I don't think it matters in the USA how many children are shot and killed. They'll never give up their guns.

IncompleteSenten · 04/01/2024 18:51

You have no sympathy for children who are murdered because adults who have the power to change the law refuse to do so?
Wtf is wrong with you?

BettyBakesCakes · 04/01/2024 18:52

Not again :(

I've just seen the killer was born in 2006? It makes you wonder what has managed to go so wrong in such a young persons life they feel they want to do things like this.

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 04/01/2024 18:57

Redshoeblueshoe · 04/01/2024 18:26

Apparently the 4th mass shooting this year according to Sky news

It's the 4th of January; one mass shooting a day this year so far? Good Lord!

Topofthemountain · 04/01/2024 19:01

The figure quoted on page 1 was 42959 gun deaths, this is 117 a day.

2024 is following a similar trajectory.

I don't think it will ever change.

ChimneyPot · 04/01/2024 19:02

Yes.
It seems totally incomprehensible that this is just allowed.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

Gun Violence Archive

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

ChodeOfChodHall · 04/01/2024 19:05

growandexpand · 04/01/2024 16:41

Dear god. How do US parents face sending their kids off every day to school?

Some watch Die Hard Movies at weekend to feel good. Then they go to shooting ranges and stores to buy guns to feel good. As long as its not their child getting shot they still feel good.

Tequilamockinbird · 04/01/2024 19:10

Oh no not another one Sad

We landed in the US a little while ago at the same time a university shooting was sadly unfolding. The university was right near the airport and so the taxi driver was telling us about it as some roads were closed etc. I was agreeing with him about how terrible all the school/Uni shootings were, until he suggested very seriously that the only way to stop these happening was to arm all the kids!! Shock

tarheelbaby · 04/01/2024 19:14

For the record, I'll say that there need to be better laws in the US about who can buy guns and what kind. Absolutely no one but no one needs an assault rifle or AK-47 or similar.

I grew up in the US (if you know the US, you'll know where). People have guns. My dad had guns. He inherited his grandfather's service pistol, he had a revolver, he had a muzzle-loading rifle and a pump-action shotgun. All deadly but all single shots.

He actually used them to defend our home more than once b/c we lived on the edge of a rough neighborhood. More than once, he held burglars/robbers at gunpoint whilst my mother called the police. I knew where the guns were; I knew not to touch them; I knew what they could do.

I was given a bb gun (air rifle) for Christmas when I was 10 and did target practice with my grandmother. She was a crack shot and an amazing lady.

As another pp mentioned, like South Africans, we deal with it. Many of you have commented on Wednesdaysotherchild's comment but s/he has the right of it: if adults cared they would vote to change things. When I lived in New Orleans in the early 90s, there was, on average, a murder every day. The Times Picayune kept count. No one called for gun control: that was using both hands.

However, in US politics, many issues are polarised and often people have a top priority for their vote. This priority often overrides any other platform issue: e.g. military families are often committed republicans because republican govt's vote for defense spending (i.e. military salaries and funding). Thus many military families, perhaps being well versed in guns, will vote republican even though they support stronger gun laws and know that is a tacit vote for not increasing gun control legislation. Just as in the UK, NHS workers will vote non-Tory because they know tories will cut NHS funding if they can.

Also, whilst gun use and violence is shocking to UK readers, most people living in the US have some experience of guns but that rarely affects daily life. When I visit, I do not worry about guns. Likewise, if my children were in school there, I would not really be too anxious.

It is always sad when children are caught in the crossfire: think of the children of Israel and Palestine: victims of centuries of adult decisions.

Badtrampoline · 04/01/2024 19:17

My friend lives in NY and speaks of the anxiety she has, giving her young boys bullet proof back packs and having to explain to her children what the practice shooter drills are.
the self defence argument is bonkers. There are people who really think they need their guns to fight the government should there be an uprising (who in reality would wipe them all out remotely)

a bunch of idiots who think they are living in a western.

SerendipityJane · 04/01/2024 19:29

ChimneyPot · 04/01/2024 18:46

391 people have died from gun violence in the US so far in 2024.

42,959 people died from gun violence in the US in 2023.

Which a back of the ammo packet calculation says is well over 100 a day.

Naptrappedmummy · 04/01/2024 19:32

Oh God not again.

How do parents in the States relax while their child is at school? I never could.

ChodeOfChodHall · 04/01/2024 19:39

tarheelbaby · 04/01/2024 19:14

For the record, I'll say that there need to be better laws in the US about who can buy guns and what kind. Absolutely no one but no one needs an assault rifle or AK-47 or similar.

I grew up in the US (if you know the US, you'll know where). People have guns. My dad had guns. He inherited his grandfather's service pistol, he had a revolver, he had a muzzle-loading rifle and a pump-action shotgun. All deadly but all single shots.

He actually used them to defend our home more than once b/c we lived on the edge of a rough neighborhood. More than once, he held burglars/robbers at gunpoint whilst my mother called the police. I knew where the guns were; I knew not to touch them; I knew what they could do.

I was given a bb gun (air rifle) for Christmas when I was 10 and did target practice with my grandmother. She was a crack shot and an amazing lady.

As another pp mentioned, like South Africans, we deal with it. Many of you have commented on Wednesdaysotherchild's comment but s/he has the right of it: if adults cared they would vote to change things. When I lived in New Orleans in the early 90s, there was, on average, a murder every day. The Times Picayune kept count. No one called for gun control: that was using both hands.

However, in US politics, many issues are polarised and often people have a top priority for their vote. This priority often overrides any other platform issue: e.g. military families are often committed republicans because republican govt's vote for defense spending (i.e. military salaries and funding). Thus many military families, perhaps being well versed in guns, will vote republican even though they support stronger gun laws and know that is a tacit vote for not increasing gun control legislation. Just as in the UK, NHS workers will vote non-Tory because they know tories will cut NHS funding if they can.

Also, whilst gun use and violence is shocking to UK readers, most people living in the US have some experience of guns but that rarely affects daily life. When I visit, I do not worry about guns. Likewise, if my children were in school there, I would not really be too anxious.

It is always sad when children are caught in the crossfire: think of the children of Israel and Palestine: victims of centuries of adult decisions.

Ah well, when the ice in the Arctic melts and the Russians swarm across Canada and into the US at least you can all bear arms and each have a reasonable prospect of taking at least 2 vodka-swilling bears with you.

In the UK we would have to do a Cheese-Eating Monkey Surrender because there is nothing left in the kitty. Just 1 front line soldier for every 1,000 civilians. That is where we are with our Conservative leadership who have held the majority of power over the last 45 years.

Actually, when you take out those front line soldiers who are non-specialists, it is about 1 soldier for every 2,000 civilians.

If the UK were called to war tomorrow we would be totally fucked. There is no magic solution. We are done.

Andthereyougo · 04/01/2024 19:41

And on my news thread yesterday 2 10 year olds in California had a bicycle race, the loser shot the winner dead. Report said he’d been sent to get cigarettes from his father’s truck and came back with a loaded gun.
So many of these children don’t stand a chance, victims in different ways due to the choices of adults.

LlynTegid · 04/01/2024 19:41

Whilst it may be a bit of virtue signalling in a way, I would not allow those in the House or Senate who vote against gun control measures to come and visit the UK. Similarly if it applies in other countries.

Excited101 · 04/01/2024 19:47

This is absolutely terrifying. Will anything be done in any of our lifetimes?

where’s the source for the killings so far this year? I had a look but can’t find it.

Excited101 · 04/01/2024 19:52

@DC1888 tbf they do that here too. It’s awful.

tarheelbaby · 04/01/2024 20:05

With all respect and friendliness, @ChodeOfChodHall , certainly amongst the people I know, but even, I would hazard, in general, it's not about the Russians or any other national invasion (definitely not the Canadians lol). Gun ownership is a personal matter and rooted in the immediacy of bad neighborhoods and dodgy neighbors. (No doubt someone will come on to contradict me that in surveys Americans have said that they need guns to resist enemy takeover but that has not been my experience.)

Bears are actually a concern - my dad has chased them out of his garden. (FYI, news reports suggest that bears prefer beer.)

@LlynTegid - that is an excellent suggestion. Would the UK parliament be interested in voting that into law? Living in the UK, my sense is that MPs would not see that as a priority. No more than they would ban South Africans for the same reason.

After many years in the UK, I am still struck by the visceral response many Brits have to Americans and their ways even though there are many other places on the planet even less refined than the US. I am frequently in the audience for presentations and there is usually some unkind joke/comment about the US. My children have observed that in school, even if the video is full of good info, the teacher 'apologizes' for the narrator's American accent. It often just comes across as sour grapes.

The US is not perfect, but no country is.

LindyLou2020 · 04/01/2024 20:19

My daughter has lived in the US for just over 10 years, married to an American. She and I, and her in-laws, (Democrats and anti-guns), often have conversations about guns. That does not make me an expert, but I've learned quite a lot.
Laws differ from state to state regarding who is allowed to buy a gun, where they can be sold, whether they have to be concealed or not, etc.
Maybe I've been very lucky, (or naive?), but during my many visits to see her, I've never felt unsafe, and have never visibly seen guns being carried by anyone but the police.
It does appear that on the whole, Democrat states, (and she lives in one), have tighter controls than Republican states, and I recognise that that is a rather simplistic statement.
It also seems to me that the "right to bear arms" was embedded in the American constitution at a time long, long ago, when people needed to be able to defend themselves., and was not meant to allow any knobhead to walk into Walmart and by an assault rifle, for example.
Another big factor is that unfortunately the National Rifle Association, (NRA), or "gun lobby", is enormously powerful, resists any watering down of gun laws, and is a major financial contributor to the Republican Party.