Saw an XL Bully puppy today

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And he was absolutely gorgeous. He was a gorgeous light tan colour with green eyes. Must have been about 12 weeks old.

I went over to ask if I can stroke him, owner was very nice but clearly drunk and took out a can of cider whilst we chatted. Puppy was so friendly but seemed flinchy with the bloke.

It's just made me really sad and worried for his future. I can't see this man complying with muzzle or lead rules. Or training him well really.

I was quite supportive of the ban but meeting one IRL has made me sad. That little puppy could be the best behaved boy on the world with the right owners.

There are three types of XL bully owners.

Irresponsible

Deluded

Capable, experienced, trained, with a background in dangerous breeds who knows this large dangerous breed was bred for violence and know it well enough to not have it out in a public environment that they can't control (as rare as hens teeth)

These dogs need completely removed from our streets with the full weight of the law coming down on those who do not comply.

I love dogs, it breaks my heart that they must be removed, they should never have been here in the first place, but they are only dogs, I would rather a thousand XL bully's who have no knowledge of what is about to happen are humanely destroyed than even one more baby, child, woman or man is ripped to pieces by one.

The law should go further to protect other dog breeds by stopping them being bred and ending up in unsuitable residential homes. We have one idiot on our estate with 2 huskies in a small 3 bed/garden, they barely walk them and they escape at least once a month.

There actually isn’t any reason that dogs will be pts, but you know they will.
Unfortunately there is a massive churn with the breed.
They in the most part aren’t pets but bought to breed off, have as a bit of a status symbol.
The number of dogs that have been bought by fools with young children who once the dog has got to the 2 year mark there has been an incident or fear in the home and then rehomed.
Prior to any announcement of the ban rescues were full of this breed.
Unfortunately the high numbers of feckless irresponsible people who have bought the breed can’t be bothered to comply with the necessary regulations.
Especially as they will no longer be able to make any money off breeding.

I'm sorry that something living will die, but if people are responsible that won't be their bully. Dogs are put to sleep every week because there aren't enough homes, better that those who pose society the biggest risk go and give other dogs a chance. I'm devastated that innocent people and animals will continue to die from these bullys because the restrictions won't be policed effectively and frankly don't go far enough. For a start, why are people with criminal convictions being allowed to own them, when they can't have pitbulls or any of the other banned breeds? Don't get me started on "which charity is going to pay for my velvet hippo to be neutered because I'm on benefits and can't possibly afford to do it to the dog I bought for £5k"? And yes, looking on Battersea it will be invasion of the Cane Corsos and Presa Canarios next. People go on about bringing back dog licences but I remember them, only the already responsible dog-owners paid. The low-life attracted to these monstrosities certainly wouldn't.

They are bred to be killers. Might be cute until it has you by the throat.

They all need putting down

I’ve volunteered at a rescue. Thankfully it’s rehomed its last remaining XL’s. They’ve all been temperament tested by three separate behaviourists. They are good dogs, lovely dogs in the right hands.

Scumbags will create monstrosities from any breed. You better pray they don’t start on a Turkish Kangal/ Caucasian Shepherd mix because they’ll eat an XL for breakfast. Formidable dogs, guardian breeds and they have killed before. This legislation will not work, because of us. It’s the human issue that needs addressing.

There are people fighting the legislation, because it will not work!

There is currently a “Puppy” XL that’s “gone missing” near my friends house posted on the Facebook page as a lovely friendly puppy. Huge thing.

Ah that’s the one that is directly related to killer Kimbo of which it is believed over 50% of the offspring of Kimbo are in the UK.

These dogs are gorgeous dogs, there’s no denying that.

And it does make me so sad that they and their owners are all judged unfairly.
(Although I’m sure the owners of staffys, Rottweilers and Dobermans are glad they’re not the ones being judged anymore).

But I would rather these dogs are protected and removed from dick head owners, than be bought, bred and passed around like toys.

Now if only we can have stricter rules on all dog ownership, then I’ll be happy.

The dogs, be they xl bullies, pit bulls, corsos, they are all a symptom of wider, systemic issues with our society and some people's resulting attitude to others. These issues aren't easy to solve, so in desperation we address the other end of the problem in its outcome rather than its widespread, tangled roots.

Many breeds that are banned in other countries are not banned here, in theory people should 'know' what an appropriate family pet is, but then that may not be their first motivation. There is also a lot of misinformation on the Internet, as ever, and I wonder if people wouldn't even have heard of many of the more problematic, niche breeds if it also weren't for ye olde' information super highway.

I don't have the answers, and don't believe it can be ignorance of what large breeds, genetically predisposed to guard or toward aggression, can and will do. Arrogance? Stupidity? They're in the mix certainly but it's not the whole answer.

I also don't think any of these dogs are in the same ball park (pun unintended) as something like a doberman or an Alsatian, not remotely. I am sure people could argue otherwise, and I was a teen when I am told they were 'demonised', but the stats don't reflect that they are or were ever dangerous in the same way. I am not personally wary of either of these breeds, but I will leave a park if any of the larger bully, or many of the mastiff-like breeds, and some others, are bought in. Yes I am stereotyping but stereotyping is all I have. I don't know your dog. I do however know what it's physically capable of. I never say anything to the owners but boy if it isn't sometimes difficult to just leave without them being angry at you for it.

@Mrsttcno1

i agree they can be lovely dogs!! But unknown ones scare me now. I love dogs, have never really been scared by any (well once when a German Shepard had me bailed up against a wall, he was a new neighbours dog & eventually neighbour came out & called him away then introduced us & we were firm friends after that!!

The only way to really solve the issue on a wider scale is to start looking at the other end of the lead

can we have them PTS please?!?!

There's far too many dogs around nowadays - the more that are put down the better.

@Jacfrost What a vile comment and outrageous comment- but you knew that.

Well if people didn't feel it necessary to take them absolutely everywhere they go, every fucking shop as of late, maybe I wouldn't feel so strongly. If people picked up their shit and kept them on leads maybe I'd feel differently. As it is if I could click my fingers and remove each one from this planet I'd do it right now. Bliss

Really? There’s dogs in EVERY shop is there? Might you be being a bit dramatic?

Also newsflash, dogs don’t have to be kept on leads? There’s literally nothing at all wrong with people having their trained dogs off lead in appropriate places (obviously not on a pavement etc).

Another absolutely disgusting comment and this one about dogs in general. What an ugly heart.

@Jacfrost I know the feeling, I feel similar about people, like you for instance.

Do you hide your feelings in front of others?! I bet you do because you wouldn’t want people to see what you are. A drama llama. In the bin with you.

What I am is a mother to an autistic child with a dog phobia. It restricts what we can do and where we can go, and it's getting worse recently - things like going round the shops used to be a safe activity but they're just all over the place now. I tried to access therapy through the NHS for DD but they couldn't actually address her fears because exposure wasn't deemed safe, so it just turned into general CBT for anxiety which hasn't helped. So yeah, whatever, I'll get in the bin...you're probably the kind of person who tuts at my DD when she's upset when a dog gets near.

“This legislation will not work, because of us. It’s the human issue that needs addressing.”

How long is that going to take? People will always be people. It’s just like in this country and many others guns are illegal because although some will use them responsibly far too many won’t. It’s too much of a risk. Same applies to this breed of dogs and many others When you get the utopian society running maybe lol but as that’s not going to happen anytime soon we need to act immediately.

@Jacfrost dogs bring joy to a lot of peoples lives and I respect responsible owners, but I can understand your dislike of them given the impact on your child . And FWIW many dog owners feel they are in too many restaurants and shops etc nowadays. Even cinemas?! It’s bad enough having poo on the street, in parks and hanging in those bags on trees but now we are seeing them poo and urinate in shopping malls 😳
Then you get the entitled owners who let their dogs jump up on you and are offended when you tell them where to go…😂

I also hate when dogs get on public transport because you’re essentially trapped in a confined space with them and some owners let them sit on the seats. I literally got off a bus one day to avoid a snarling pitbull type in the middle of the aisle 😣 and seats on public transport are dirty enough without having dogs sit on them too. I feel for dog fur allergy sufferers as well as those with phobias or people who just don’t want to be around them because they are increasingly hard to avoid nowadays - especially the poorly trained / “reactive” ones.

Yet another XL Bully attack.
''Life changing facial injuries''

They seem to target the face and neck especially.
Horrible, unstable things.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-67730326

It’s all the other poor dogs that get attacked I feel sorry for.
This one lived but many don’t.
Many spend the last 15 minutes of their life or longer fighting for their
life.

A vile comment.
And don't use your autistic child as an excuse for your shitty attitude. Many autistic kids and adults alike love dogs, with some using them as support so they can get out and about.

I have not seen any XL bully pups in a while. I did see a sibling pair in my local park. Owned by a well dressed middle aged lady (and I am mentioning that because I thought it needed saying that she was not a weed smoking teen like all the stereotypes will have you think). They were a lovely and well behaved pair of dogs... just running about in the park and living their best life. When I approached with my my dog, they both lay down until we passed.

I’m a huge dog lover with multiple rescued dogs but I don’t get all the handwringing about these dogs being PTS. No one has said that every XL bully has to be PTS. No one is calling for a mass cull of these dogs.

Any owner who wants to keep their XL bully can do, by following a simple set of rules. If they’re too stupid to do that then they shouldn’t have a dog in the first place.

I am puzzled as to why OP has so confidently assumed that the (by her own admission, "lovely") owner is a bad owner, simply because he was drunk? I don't drink myself, but most people I know do so, to excess sometimes, and I have never before heard anyone claim that drinking in the presence of your dog is inappropriate? Loads of people take their dogs to the pub; to other social occasions where drink is involved; or drink in front of their dogs at home. Is that wrong, or the mark or a bad owner?

I am not sure whether the fact that the drink that the man was consuming was cider, and that he drank it from a can, was, in fact, the issue? I really hope I am wrong about this, but I wonder whether OP would have been so concerned if the drink had been champagne, and the owner had summoned his butler to bring it to him in a crystal slipper?

I love dogs myself, but I agree that dogs of vast size and strength are too much of a risk, sadly. I would rather all healthy dogs, including my own, were PTS today than that a single human child lose his or her life in a dog attack. And however well trained, no dog can be 100% guaranteed by its owner because it may suffer from behaviour alterations due to a brain tumour or dementia; may react unpredictably in extreme fear or pain; be startled while asleep; etc.

What I abhor beyond measure, however, is when fear of dangerous dogs is used as an excuse for publicly spewing disgusting bile-filled prejudice against the working classes.

(As it happens, my friend's got XL bullies. She's a professional with an Oxford degree and a big house and all the other things people on here tend to admire. And she has her dogs for the same reason I imagine loads of people do, rich or poor. She likes the breed and they bring her pleasure. She does not own them maliciously to hurt or scare. Nor do the vast majority of owners I am sure)