Saw an XL Bully puppy today

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And he was absolutely gorgeous. He was a gorgeous light tan colour with green eyes. Must have been about 12 weeks old.

I went over to ask if I can stroke him, owner was very nice but clearly drunk and took out a can of cider whilst we chatted. Puppy was so friendly but seemed flinchy with the bloke.

It's just made me really sad and worried for his future. I can't see this man complying with muzzle or lead rules. Or training him well really.

I was quite supportive of the ban but meeting one IRL has made me sad. That little puppy could be the best behaved boy on the world with the right owners.

I imagine very expensive to insure

I would imagine that the percentage of owners of these XL beasts and whatever breed will replace them who actually have insurance for their animals is very low indeed.

A 12 year old boy was left with broken bones visible after firearms officers were called to a family home where two XL Bullies attacked the child shortly before midnight. (Sheffield)

These are NOT safe dogs to have around children, the elderly, people or pet dogs.

They are not sound in temperament.
The U.K. ones are massively inbred and are just a danger.

firearms police needing to be called with these mutants shows how uncontrollable they are.

@thetworonnies Impossible to know, there's no record kept of the trash who breed these animals.
@Mrsttcno1 no matter how many times you type the word lovely it's doesn't make these killing machines genes make them safe, or reduce their kill tally.

Agreed!

They don’t exercise them. Don’t insure them. Don’t give them good quality food. Basically just use them as weapons

What about the XL Bullies in people’s homes?
The 12 yr old boy who has hideous compound fractures from the “ Family” XL s turning on him wouldn’t be protected by the legislation re muzzling and leashing.

Idiots online were selling Corso x XL bully puppies- the ultimate idiot magnet.

Dangerous Dog legislation needs to be really up it’s game if more people aren’t to be killed and maimed by these types of dog.

At least breeding them will be illegal from 31 December.

Someone posted on a local fb page they had found an abandoned young one in park yesterday could anyway one take it in. Someone commented I have a 5yo I'll have it if it's good with kids. How bloody dumb can you get - it's been abandoned in a park how does anyone know and why would you even consider it.

I can only speak for the ones I personally know of, and actually those ones are all lovely dogs. Dogs who for years have attended the local doggy daycare, who have been going out with the local dog walkers in groups 3 times a week for years, who have been playing with the local dogs in the park for years. For THOSE dogs, the “kill tally” is zero.

Hence my saying that for the owners who genuinely have put the time in, socialised their dogs, trained their dogs, looked after them, and who have raised very nice dogs, who for YEARS now have attended day care, group walks, meet ups in the park and the beach etc, it is a shame and I do feel sorry for those people.

Of course there are now lots of idiots who own them as a status dog or protection dog and that has spoilt it for everyone. But in reality, this isn’t going to solve anything. The ban may or may not work, but even if it does, these people will just find another breed to replace them and in a few years time we’ll all be up in arms about that breed as well. The only way to really solve the issue on a wider scale is to start looking at the other end of the lead.

XL s and Other aggressive types always appeal to the hard of thinking.
I waited til son was almost 10 before getting a dog ( Non aggressive type)
As people say “ Any dog can bite” but personally I think young children and dogs are not a good mix.
An XL could kill a 5 yr old easily.
edit: even RSPCA and Dogs Trust dogs have ( bully breed ) seriously mauled staff/ fosterers .

I feel sorry for the poor innocent people who are ripped to shreds by these breeds.

Same here. And innocent pet dogs mauled by them.

An American 🇺🇸 know arms himself with a legal .45 specifically to use against Pitbulls as loose ones are so rife in his area. Edit: children and elderly killed by stray pits so he arms himself to help guard against an attack.

He cannot believe that we in U.K. cannot even use pepper spray against dog attacks.

But why do those people need these dogs? I don’t understand why anyone “lovely” would want a dog that has a rep as a killing machine.

There are hundreds of breeds of dogs and thousands of crossbreeds and mutts that don’t have a genetic fault that makes them naturally aggressive. Why don’t these “lovely” people get a Labrador or a standard poodle? If they want a giant dog, Great Danes, Newfoundlands or St Bernards aren’t exactly known for aggression - get one of those.

The only reason to buy an XL bully, cane corso and the like is because you want to look hard.

My dog will most likely be typed as an xl. This “lovely” person definitely got him to look hard.

My first dog was a Labrador we made quite a few mistakes with her but she had such a lovely temperament and was so easy to train that we got away with it and we never had any problems with her. I think dogs that are available to regular people with little experience need to be like that. I'm sure that an experienced owner with the right situation can do well with an XL Bully but for someone who doesn't know what they are doing they are not fool proof and mistakes can lead to bad consequences so easily.

Why does anybody NEED any dog? I have a Labrador, they are a working breed, but I don’t work him, so you could argue I didn’t NEED him. I wanted him.

Also, it’s only in the last maybe 2 years that the media has branded these dogs “killing machines”. Believe it or not, people did have the breed before the last 2 years- all of the ones near me are older dogs. They haven’t been bought since the newspapers and social media branded these dogs as “killing machines”.

These dogs have been around for years, it’s just that for whatever reason over the last few years they have suddenly become the new status symbol, protection dog etc. With that huge boost in interest came the backyard breeders cutting corners to try and meet the demand, boosting prices while farming puppy’s out too young, importing etc.

I can’t claim to understand why people buy them, but I could say that about many breeds. I don’t understand why people in normal households who only plan on a dog walk a day would have a Border Collie or a Belgian Mallinois- but people do choose to and that’s up to them 🤷🏻‍♀️

The main point is, the ban is going to affect the responsible owners more than it will the horrible ones. The responsible ones have already had their pets neutered, they’ve already had them put through training, they’ve already muzzle and lead trained them. The irresponsible ones who keep the dog locked in a box room in an upstairs flat, never walk it, parade it around with a chain round its neck etc and use it as a protective/status dog are probably not going to have muzzle trained, not going to have lead trained, won’t have neutered, so they’ll keep the dog as long as possible, maybe it will attack during that time, maybe eventually the police will catch up and take the dog away. They’ll only have another dog by the following week to do the same thing with, whether it’s a Cane Corso, a German Shepherd, a Staffy… the problem is the owner.

This is another problem with the ban- it has been pushed through in such a way that even dogs which are not XL Bully’s could come under “type”.

The appalling conformation and poor temperament on these XL's is also testament to atrocious inbreeding by back yard breeders.

Look at the hind legs on the XL that the woman is attempting to restrain..it's so abysmally cow hocked as to resemble a frog as it flaps about.

But despite that, it is still too strong for her to have control of.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12848617/Terrifying-moment-XL-Bully-dogs-launch-crazed-attack-rail-platform-oncoming-train-woman-loses-control-beasts.html

Local to me someone on social media is posting if anyone can 'look after their puppy' for the foreseeable, £30 per week.

Turns out it's an XL and guessing the person wanting to pay someone to 'temporarily look after it' will disappear.

The problem is that actually the owner doesn’t necessarily make a difference. There’s been many incidences of responsible owners bringing up an XL Bully or pitbull type dog, doing every bit of training and socialising you can, having an apparently lovely family dog. And then out of nowhere it flips and kills the child.
Thats the problem with these dogs. Nurture doesn't counter Nature. You can’t train out genetics.

And when these dogs do turn, their size and strength mean it is often fatal.

Well it's not a breed, it's a type, defined by measurements in adulthood so there is absolutely no way you can say this 12 week old pup was an XL bully, there are many different bull type breeds.

It’s all the owners. I’ve never known a responsible, decent, knowledgable owner who brings up their dog with lots of training and positive reinforcement, regular exercise, great socialisation etc, to have their dog turn. No dog is born bad, it’s all owners.

It’s not a case of being born bad, it’s in the genetics.
It can’t be a coincidence that the most irresponsible and anti social are drawn to these dogs.

@Mrsttcno1 nope. This Pitbull mutation is a recent invention, hence them suddenly appearing on fatal dog mauling statistics in the last few years.
Genes matter. Hugely. 'deed not breed' is asinine nonsense, ignoring what genes make up a breeds drive and power is silly.

It’s quite refreshing to read comments by those who are not the usual pit bull apologists as you will find on Facebook.The way they tie themselves in knots to try and dismiss and outright lie is something to behold.
”Nanny dog” my arse.