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Starved to mean cold

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stopmefeelingsick · 01/12/2023 19:04

Anyone knowledgeable about the origins of the English language know if this is a regional thing?

Growing up I remember my Grandmother coming in on a cold day and saying she was starved. She meant with cold but I'd grown up (as did everyone else I knew) knowing starved meaning hungry.

Anyone else heard it said meaning this?

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ChungkingPineapple · 01/12/2023 19:06

Where are you from? I’m up in Cumbria and a lot of the older people use it to mean cold here too.

Giggorata · 01/12/2023 19:06

I think it is a regional thing, as I never heard it in childhood, (South East) apart from in books.

CesareBorgia · 01/12/2023 19:11

It's mentioned in 'The Road to Wigan Pier' - Orwell quotes someone as saying they were 'starving' and puts brackets afterwards to indicate they mean [freezing]. It was published in 1937. I've never heard it from any contemporary source, or, indeed in real life, but Orwell spent time lodging with working class northern folk so I assume he must have heard it often enough to have deciphered it.

HoldingOnForAHeron · 01/12/2023 19:15

It was used where I grew up to mean cold. I couldn't grasp why there were cold children in Africa.

ChungkingPineapple · 01/12/2023 19:17

People up here also say it’s “starvation” outside of its particularly cold. I always summed it was because when you are literally starving you tend to be colder but I’m sure someone smarter than me will be along with an answer.

stopmefeelingsick · 01/12/2023 19:24

I'm from the south / West Country but my grandmother was from the midlands.

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3Tunes · 01/12/2023 19:24

It’s in Jane Eyre - in the Lowood bit she talks about how the younger girls wrapped their pinafores around their starved arms, while the bigger girls got the places near the (meagre) fire.

SoulCaptain · 01/12/2023 19:26

I've heard it in Scotland as 'starved of heat'

ChungkingPineapple · 01/12/2023 19:27

SoulCaptain · 01/12/2023 19:26

I've heard it in Scotland as 'starved of heat'

Ah that makes more sense!

CesareBorgia · 01/12/2023 19:28

3Tunes · 01/12/2023 19:24

It’s in Jane Eyre - in the Lowood bit she talks about how the younger girls wrapped their pinafores around their starved arms, while the bigger girls got the places near the (meagre) fire.

Ah! Thank you. I've always read that as 'starved' meaning they were thin arms because they were kept so short of food, but your interpretation makes far more sense.

RightOnTheEdge · 01/12/2023 19:28

I'm from Yorkshire and moved about quite a lot as a child. I've never heard it being used to mean cold.

MrsMoastyToasty · 01/12/2023 19:30

Bristolians say they're "Shrammed" to mean cold.

fluffiphlox · 01/12/2023 19:30

I think it used to mean ‘to die’.

ImNunTheWiser · 01/12/2023 19:30

I'm sure I've heard it as 'I'm starved with cold', it rings a bell. I grew up in England but in pretty much exclusively Irish community. Can't fully place it but definitely sounds familiar.

TraumatisedatChristmas1986 · 01/12/2023 19:34

My father was Irish and used to say that it was 'starvation out there', when it was very cold.

OdeYellerBelly · 01/12/2023 19:36

It was common in Lincolnshire when I was young

RaraRachael · 01/12/2023 19:36

I'm in NE Scotland and we'd say "It's starvation" if we came in on a really cold day.

kiwibrit1965 · 01/12/2023 19:59

Yup. Starved was definitely a word I remember being used. My dad was from Blackburn and I guessed it was from there. It meant cold right down to the marrow

Onesmallstepforaman · 01/12/2023 20:01

Heard it regularly used in Co Antrim

LakeTiticaca · 01/12/2023 20:05

Heard people say it in Lancashire in the past. Not so much in recent times z

boudiccathecat · 01/12/2023 20:06

West Yorkshire here, my grandad used to say it was starving cold

upinaballoon · 01/12/2023 20:06

My Yorkshire-born grandmother, born 1880, used it to mean being cold. She had a bit of a cross-purposes conversation with a daughter-in-law who came from the south of England and understood it to mean being hungry. I'm in between and I was told the story of their conversation so long ago that I just accept it can mean either.

Oceangirl82 · 01/12/2023 20:09

second it used to be common in Lincolnshire, not so common now

baroqueandblue · 01/12/2023 20:11

Is it something to do with times when food was short because of blights etc, and people knew food created body heat and if you didn't eat in cold weather you were more at risk of freezing/hypothermia? In lancashire they used to talk about feeding th'ole wi wood (putting logs on the fire) so I suspect in certain parts of the country there has traditionally been a linguistic link between heat and food. (One of my dad's sisters married a man from Oldham.)

MoMandaS · 01/12/2023 20:13

I think it just means 'deprived of'. We say 'starved of affection/love', for example.