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Starved to mean cold

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stopmefeelingsick · 01/12/2023 19:04

Anyone knowledgeable about the origins of the English language know if this is a regional thing?

Growing up I remember my Grandmother coming in on a cold day and saying she was starved. She meant with cold but I'd grown up (as did everyone else I knew) knowing starved meaning hungry.

Anyone else heard it said meaning this?

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Nopenoway · 01/12/2023 22:30

Definitely in Co Antrim. It would starve you (to death) out there. I’m starving. I always thought of it as sort of drawn in and withered, but starved of warmth makes sense too.

BinkyBeaufort · 01/12/2023 22:34

Brought up in Manchester then Stockport, and yes, starving meant freezing cold, as well as hungry. DM, who was born 100 ago, always used to say this.

FreshWinterMorning · 01/12/2023 22:38

Never heard 'starving' meaning cold. (Midlands.)

The Cambridge dictionary (like all others) says very hungry, but also says it can mean 'cold.' Odd, as I have never heard of the word being used to say you're cold. Seems to be More Scottish/Northern English.

STARVING | English meaning - Cambridge Dictionary

starving

1. dying because of not having enough food: 2. very hungry: 3. extremely…

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/starving

sixteenfurryfeet · 01/12/2023 22:40

senua · 01/12/2023 22:01

I can never remember if the old wives' saying is "starve a fever, feed a cold" or "feed a fever, starve a cold".
It's the former and perhaps it does make sense if 'starve' means 'make cold' - you want to starve the temperature of a fever.

No, you've got the wrong end of the stick there. It's nothing to do with temperature.

If you have a cold, then it does you good to feed yourself up, and it will make you feel better. If you've got the flu (or some other fever) then you feel too ill to be able to eat much at all, and if you try it only makes you feel worse. Your body is too busy fighting bugs to be able to digest it.

Feed a cold, starve a fever. There you go.

BoreOfWhabylon · 01/12/2023 22:43

@cunningartificer Thank you so much for your explanation! I find this stuff fascinating.

My Grandfather, born in Bristol in the 1890s spoke broad Bristolian dialect and much of it clearly harked back to much earlier times.

MotherofTerriers · 01/12/2023 22:45

My parents were from Blackburn and I heard it a lot there

borntobequiet · 02/12/2023 06:44

cunningartificer · 01/12/2023 22:16

The original old English word is steorfan... the development is quite interesting

So interesting, thanks.

Okaygoahead · 02/12/2023 06:57

cunningartificer · 01/12/2023 22:14

Starf is the old and middle English word for die. The f becomes v in modern English (like fox and vixen, originally fixen = little fox) so you get starve. Often you would die from lack of food hence the association with the modern sense, but you can also be starved with the cold, i.e. killed by it.

@cunningartificer is correct, and you see the connection still in the German sterben and the Dutch sterven, both meaning ‘to die’. Apparently ‘to starve’ in 14th century English meant ‘to die of cold’, before it took on the meaning of dying of hunger a century or so later.

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 02/12/2023 11:14

I'm in my fifties and was brought up in NI where this was fairly common usage until I left in the 90s. Pretty sure my mum still says it.

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 02/12/2023 11:16

They have quite a lot of archaic vocab in NI though. My mum still says she is redding up, meaning tidying up. My Old English lecturer at Uni told me it was an Old Norse word!

Theblacksheepandme · 02/12/2023 11:44

fluffiphlox · 01/12/2023 19:30

I think it used to mean ‘to die’.

Yes @fluffiphlox you're right.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/starve#English

starve - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/starve#English

HorseySurprise · 02/12/2023 11:48

Nothing to add to these knowledgeable replies - but didn't Cathy say it in Wuthering Heights? I seem to remember her telling someone to shut the door because she was starved.

Theblacksheepandme · 02/12/2023 11:54

I'm Irish and my Dad used the strangest words for things sometimes. We would laugh at him, including my Mum and tell him he made up his own words.

I started watching Outlander and started seeing that a lot of the Gaelic used, were some of the words my Dad used. I wish he was alive, so I could tell him that we were the fools to be laughing at him.

BumpyaDaisyevna · 02/12/2023 12:35

Cumbrian- definitely used here.

It's because if you're starving you're cold.

Lifeinlists · 02/12/2023 12:52

It was common when I was growing up in West Yorkshire . " I'm starved / starving" - very cold, or " he's a starved 'un" someone who feels cold easily. It wouldn't be used for just a bit cold.
No idea if it's still used there now but I say it occasionally.

I've lived in the West Midlands for a long time and have never heard it here.

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