Crap halloween givers

[WashingAt30]

It's nice when someone opens the door to you, and they at least smile, and maybe have a little chat about the DC's costumes. My god, some people don't even look happy, just shove a bag of sweets at you as close the door! I wouldn't be surprised if one creepy man we met was on some kind of offenders register. Why bother if you're not going to get into the spirt?!

Ghostwatch in 1992 just off the top of my head

Yes I remember the furore about that at the time!

I remember going to the US on a family holiday in early Oct 1987 and being impressed that they had better decorations though! People didn't do that so much, but pumpkin carving was always a thing.

That sounds quite rude and entitled, not to mention ungrateful. They're opening their doors to strangers and giving away free sweets.

it was a culture shock to see nothing about Halloween in England when I was at uni there in the 90s.

One example seems to be all you are resting you opinion on despite dismissing everyone else's "anecdotes" as irrelevant

However from TV, Jackanory had Halloween episodes from the 1960s, Chucklvision in the 1980s, Fireman Sam in the 90s, Thomas the tank engine from the 1980s onwards had Halloween episodes, Simon and the witch in the 80s, Teletubbies in the late 90s, The worst witch, worzel gummidge and Tiswas in the 80s.

The reason the weather is important on bonfire night is that people traditionally have large gatherings outdoors, with fire and explosives.

It would be easy for me to assume halloween wasn't celebrated between 2005-2007 because that's when I was a uni student and our student halls didn't really do anything for it particularly

there was a Halloween party but fairly low key and of course no parents were sending their little kids trick or treating to uni accommodation

It's just it would be ridiculously small minssd and arrogant of me to assume that because my small sphere of life wasn't doing anything big for halloween that was somehow reflective of an entire country

Why are you so determined that Halloween wasn't celebrated in England prior the 00,s ??
Despite several ,posters including myself telling you we celebrated it in the 70,s and 80,s
Its very arrogant of you to assume you are right and everyone else is wrong based on your OWN anecdotal experience .

Ok, go show me the tv Halloween specials from England (like you now see on Strictly).

I was back and forth between two major English cities (Liverpool and Manchester) and there was nothing, nada, zilch about Halloween.

There were Halloween fancy dress parties and club nights at uni, then my friends group had them at home in the early 2000s. City up north. Probably at the weekend if Halloween was midweek. The little kids were mostly out and about in the early evening on the actual day as now. But in that city there was also a local thing called "mischief night" which people said was linked to Halloween, Scottish guising etc. It fell between Halloween and Bonfire night and it could be quite threatening.

Wow OP, try some gratitude!

At my Uni in the early 2000s we didn't do anything for Easter, nothing for bonfire night, a big Christmas party and a decent sized Diwali party

So I declare that during the early 2000s the whole of England didn't celebrate Easter or Bonfire night and only celebrated Christmas and Diwali.

Because I say so! And my one example is worth way more than anyone else's example

It really must be great to be so confident and sure in your own skin that it doesn’t even occur to you that for some people making small talk with strangers (even child ones) can be difficult.

There is definitely a subset of people out there who presume being introverted = rude and I suspect OP is one of them.

your wrong
Just be cause you didn't see anything doesn't mean we didn't celebrate it clearly you think.we are all.lying based in your own experience so.there is no.point in arguing with you 🙄

Agreed with @x2boys says. Halloween definitely was celebrated every year in England prior to 200s, definitely 70s. Same as now but less decorating of the houses/flats and more traditional costumes like witch, ghost, zombie, vampire.

So, yes @DeeCee77 you’re wrong! Why do you think you know so much about English Halloween traditions if you live in Ireland?

Yes we celebrate 5th November (bonfire night) and sometimes there’s a crossover between both as only 5 days between them but 5th November certainly isn’t celebrated more than Halloween in England!

Maybe uni people in England in 00s didn’t celebrate Halloween as much as non uni people.

I found nothing on Worzel Gummidge. The only thing I found was guy forks (naturally enough).

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15505314/

I think this poster is just being goady now.

Sources please.

TV was completely different in the 80s and 90s anyway. I do remember Paul Daniels doing a Halloween special in the 80s though.

Just because you didn’t notice - and back then it was possibly more for kids than adults or uni students - doesn’t mean it wasn’t celebrated, as many here have told you. It was my favourite time of year as a child, even more so than Christmas.

Yes we celebrate 5th November (bonfire night) and sometimes there’s a crossover between both as only 5 days between them but 5th November certainly isn’t celebrated more than Halloween in England!

Yes, exactly. As I pointed out, they also have "mischief night" in some northern areas.

Our own lived experience, as English children brought up in England. Which you were not. I wouldn’t attempt to dictate to you about your own cultural experiences or childhood.

I agree, you are just being goady now.

I’ve really enjoyed Halloween as a parent (in fairly middle class areas) but I had to be talked into taking my first child out with friends in around 2010/11 because I knew that as a child in the 80s there was a significant chance I’d just have been shouted at if I knocked on doors on Halloween - so I didn’t. (Once tried carol sjnging with friends aged around 11 and got yelled at by the house with the doormat that played Jingle Bells.)

The game changer has been putting out pumpkins to show you have sweets to give out. It’s changed what was a fairly dodgy night into a really fun thing to do. It’s always been one of DD’s favourite nights of the year. It probably still depends where you live though.

Pp mentioned Ghostwatch, broadcast "live" 31 October 1992

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/banned-bbc-show-ghostwatch-left-25351016?intsource=amppcontinuereading&inttmedium=amp&intcampaign=continueereadingbutton#amp-readmore-target

I'm not denying anyone that says they celebrated it. What I'm saying (though its not me saying it as its documented fact) is Halloween is not a customary celebration in England.

And because it isn't is why you get some ignoramuses from England saying "americanism" in regards to Halloween, when there's nothing about Halloween that is bar using a pumpkin instead of a turnip.

Halloween is annoying. WTF is the point of knocking on the doors of people you don't know just to get sweets? Just go and buy the sweets and chocolate from your supermarket. It's safer for one thing.

Halloween is part of US culture. It is a charity event. It works over there - it does not work here in the UK. And it's really quite rude to trick or treat here.

As for children knocking on doors asking for money, what brats!!

You want strangers to give sweets, AND stop and have a little chat with your DC?!

God knows why anyone bothers