Not in AIBU but...

[vipersnest1]

AIBU to think that hospital consultants deciding that patients needing procedures should have to undergo them first, so they have an understanding of what patients experience when they have them?
I'm thinking here of things like colonoscopy / flexible sigmoidoscopy, nerve root injections... all of the stuff that doesn't involve major operations or things being removed.
I'm just pondering this evening, due to some of my experiences and wondered if others thought it might make those carrying out procedures a bit more understanding and mindful of their patients.
I know I may well be shot down for the practicalities of doing this, but as a general idea, what do other posters think?

I would say yes YABU!! Massively 🙈 I have had a few minor procedures, mostly to do with my ovaries, cervix, etc etc, the majority of which were carried out by men who couldn't physically undergo the procedures like you are suggesting, and they have been far more understanding and mindful than the female doctors I've dealt with who may have underwent the procedure. I'm not really sure what it would achieve. I actually think there could be more of a "well I have had this procedure and it was fine so suck it up" attitude if it were the case!

No I don’t. Next you’ll be saying that only women who’ve had babies can be midwives.

How would that work with gynaecology and obstetrics? That aside you're still being U

Seeing my gynaecologists and breast cancer doctors were all male, not quite sure how this would be possible !

Well, I see that so far everyone has side-stepped the 'practicalities' part.
I'm taking it that no-one has had a procedure which was described as 'uncomfortable' when it was actually painful? Injections during which they could have done with additional pain relief?

Oh, and @DustyLee123, I said no such thing, nor implied it, so don't put words into my mouth.

@vipersnest1 pain is subjective though.... Even a procedure performed by a female GP who has had many herself, like a smear test, provides some with excruciating pain and others with virtually zero pain!

When I was a student we practiced our local analgesics on each other so I could say to patients “yes I have had this done to me by a colleague who had never handled a syringe before”. Except for practicing on an orange.

Now it’s not done because of the ethics of using a drug where there is. No indication. But I am glad - sort of- that I had the experience (several times)

Pain is relative and subjective. I know people who would have taken an epidural and then some during labour, and I know people who had absolutely no pain relief and said it wasn't as bad as they anticipated. Thus, Irrespective of whether the person performing the procedure had undergone it or not, they could still give you what you find to be an inaccurate description.

It basically makes no sense either practically or theoretically.

You're damn right it is - and in the case of people with fibromyalgia (like me), it is more pronounced. However, that doesn't explain the doctor AKA butcher who carried out a flexible sigmoidoscopy without any pain relief whatsoever, despite me telling him I'd had multiple abdominal surgeries (so scar tissue a-plenty). I rated my pain as a ten. Him? 2. Go figure.
Beside that, I have gone through a whole host of tests and procedures over the years (oh and let me stop here to re-live the joyous moment a nurse, oblivious to my pain, pulled out vaginal packing - which was stuck to the wound - liiiittttlllleeee bit by liiiittttlllleee bit) many of them have been demeaning, some painful, but by far the worst experiences have been from HCPs who have claimed to be understanding but clearly aren't.
I can't imagine my experience is unique, which is why I've asked for other people's opinions. If it hasn't happened to you, you are lucky IMO.

@70isaLimitNotaTarget, finally someone who gets where I'm coming from. It sometimes takes having an experience yourself to have understanding for others who are having the same experience (or maybe more so than if you hadn't).

YABU - well, ridiculous in fact.

Everything @Ankerdam said

Ok, it that's your opinion, it is.🤷‍♀️

I'm ginger so resistent to some anaesthetic and sedation. I just make sure to remind the consultant of this and request more anaesthetic. If I'm worried, I ask for more just to be on the safe side. If I'm anxious, I'll request sedation as well as anaesthetic. No doctor/dentist/practitioner has ever said no to a request for additional pain relief or help getting through difficult and uncomfortable procedures. Just ask!

It's a completely ridiculous idea and your axe grinding would come across better without the faux aggressive dramatics. Hope that helps.

I’ve had a colonoscopy and a colposcopy with lletz and during lletz she even held my hand, I’ve also had a male consultant do my sweep and a student deliver my baby.
I was treated with care and compassion by everyone I saw so nope I don’t think they should.

How do you know they haven't? The idea is ridiculous and makes absolutely no sense

Really? When I had one they had gas and air available in the room and I was offered it frequently throughout the procedure. That's without the initial offer of sedation before I even went down for the procedure.

I suggest you raise a complaint with PALS before it eats you up

@VeridicalVagabond, do you care to expand on my 'faux dramatics'? To be more direct, are you calling me a liar?

I've had the throat cam three times, first time they convinced me to do it with only the throat spray. I was sedated for the others.

@Aldicrispsareshit, I did - the one and only time I have ever complained. The reply I received addressed me by the wrong forms and just reiterated that in the doctor's opinion, my pain was a 2. I had the gas and air (I had to ask for pain relief - it wasn't offered to me) and it didn't touch it. The only time anyone spoke to me (once) was to tell me to breath more slowly.
I gave up after I got the reply as it was clear no-one was listening

I think you are directing your anger in the wrong places @vipersnest1 . I stand by my previous 2 points, pain is subjective and I really think that there would become an air of "well yes I had this procedure and it wasn't painful so suck it up"...

Also in response to "If it hasn't happened to you, you are lucky IMO." you don't know that I haven't had bad experiences during procedures. I have actually. And I am really sorry to hear you have had horrible experiences too. Nobody should have to go through that. But I still think your suggestion is unreasonable.

And @Aldicrispsareshit, I asked about sedation and was briskly told it wasn't offered. I insisted for the second one, and still needed some fentanyl - it was worlds better than the first experience.

Excuse me? Where have I said anything of the sort???