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Jimmy Savile

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Andontothenextproblem · 12/10/2023 23:36

Just finished The Reckoning on BBC and despite watching countless documentaries, interviews and reading dozens of articles it’s really left me with more questions and intrigue (in a completely disgusted way) than ever.

What a disturbed an complex person he was but I find myself wanting to know why and how he managed to end up the way he was.

In particular his weird and verging on inappropriate views and relationship with his mother…

His dislike and cold view of children…was he a paedophile or someone who was just addicted to sex.

Was there any proof of him actually committing necrophilia or just a rumour..

Did he think his good deeds outweighed his bad or was everything he did done so with ulterior motives?

What was his relationship with the mayor had Ice cream man in Scarborough?

What did locals really think of him..

And how did he manage to worm his way to the top (royalty, politicians, head consultants) from near enough nothing…

How could someone be so narcissistic and a social path but such a loner and never have a wife/partner to mask…

My list of questions is absolutely endless…

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Arniesleftleg · 16/10/2023 15:46

He was the 7th child, born late to his parents and was not planned and was possibly unloved. When he was 6 months old he fell out of the pushchair and suffered an injury to his neck which affected nerves in his eyes meaning he slept with his eyes open for 18 months, this may have accounted for his ugly bug eyed look. He was not expected to live but pulled through. After this he couldn't do anything wrong as was looked on by his very religious mother as a gift from god. She did everything for him after the accident.

I've listened to countless podcasts about him to try and understand how and why he did what he did and am utterly horrified at what he was allowed to get away with, because people did know but chose not to act on the information. Sir Kier Starmer knew what he was up to but decided not to act on the information fearing that if he got it wrong that he wouldn't receive his knighthood, he could have stopped this in his track like many other celebrities at the time.
Esther Rantzen knew what he was up to and her husband was a Head at the BBC at the time JS was probably most prolific. Remember ER set up Childline to protect vulnerable children, this could mean she knew something but chose not to speak up for fear of reproach.

JS was called upon to act as a mediator in the marriage of Prince Charles and Princess Di when they were having marital difficulties. I mean, WTF. Diana spoke about him being 'creepy'.

Savile was given keys to Broadmoor but would never surrender the keys at lock up, instead he chose to hold onto them to access all areas and would often watch vulnerable young women bath. Who would have believed an inmate at Broadmoor over a high profile megalomaniac?

There is so much more to his story than the programme touched on. There were over 500 cases of sexual misconduct, rape, buggery and child abuse, as well as the things he did to corpses, although dead bodies can't talk. How many more cases are there of people that still fear coming forward and those that couldn't live with what he did to them and died by suicide?

Oganesson118 · 16/10/2023 15:50

TroglodytesTroglodytes · 13/10/2023 16:22

I thought that, although well done, it was just odd that we never saw any of his other family. It was as if they were trying to portray this weird codependency mother/son relationship but where were all the siblings? Mrs Saville had 7 children. Surely there were signs in his childhood about his character. It would also have been interesting to explore the role of Jimmy’s father too.

Given the point at which the series began, they couldn't. I think it was quite true to life that it was him and his mother. His father died in the 50s and he was the youngest of his siblings by a fair few years.

Tatslookawful · 16/10/2023 15:52

There was apparently some evidence he was abused as a child. Certainly not protected & exposed to unsavoury things.

MotherEarthisaTerf · 16/10/2023 15:53

i enjoyed the documentary and feel like it was respectful of victims.

But it was short of groundbreaking by a long way. When I compare it to the hard work the documentary dramatisation ‘Rotherham’ had to do to dispel myths of girl’s sexual behaviour, institutional failure etc. That was absolutely excellent.

catbla2957 · 16/10/2023 16:11

Arniesleftleg · 16/10/2023 15:46

He was the 7th child, born late to his parents and was not planned and was possibly unloved. When he was 6 months old he fell out of the pushchair and suffered an injury to his neck which affected nerves in his eyes meaning he slept with his eyes open for 18 months, this may have accounted for his ugly bug eyed look. He was not expected to live but pulled through. After this he couldn't do anything wrong as was looked on by his very religious mother as a gift from god. She did everything for him after the accident.

I've listened to countless podcasts about him to try and understand how and why he did what he did and am utterly horrified at what he was allowed to get away with, because people did know but chose not to act on the information. Sir Kier Starmer knew what he was up to but decided not to act on the information fearing that if he got it wrong that he wouldn't receive his knighthood, he could have stopped this in his track like many other celebrities at the time.
Esther Rantzen knew what he was up to and her husband was a Head at the BBC at the time JS was probably most prolific. Remember ER set up Childline to protect vulnerable children, this could mean she knew something but chose not to speak up for fear of reproach.

JS was called upon to act as a mediator in the marriage of Prince Charles and Princess Di when they were having marital difficulties. I mean, WTF. Diana spoke about him being 'creepy'.

Savile was given keys to Broadmoor but would never surrender the keys at lock up, instead he chose to hold onto them to access all areas and would often watch vulnerable young women bath. Who would have believed an inmate at Broadmoor over a high profile megalomaniac?

There is so much more to his story than the programme touched on. There were over 500 cases of sexual misconduct, rape, buggery and child abuse, as well as the things he did to corpses, although dead bodies can't talk. How many more cases are there of people that still fear coming forward and those that couldn't live with what he did to them and died by suicide?

To be fair to Er and Keir starmer. You need evidence, they may have heard stories or rumours (as many did) but actually evidence to convict can be hard to come by. Especially as saville had powerful friends in his corner.
It was also easy to dismiss rumours as "saville was just a great British eccentric, who liked doing good work, he's an easy target" Obviously I don't think that, but people did while he was alive

mrsnjw · 16/10/2023 16:18

I always wondered weather childlike was set up to try and expose saville or cover his tracks up

SummerDawn2000 · 16/10/2023 17:03

What’s so infuriating is that it could have all been prevented. If someone followed their gut instinct and just went to the right place. All this trauma and evil could have been prevented. Saw the show with my partner and it was heavy.

friends with the royals, thatcher, made a sir, an OBE. He even looked like a creep!!!

so many opportunities to have caught him.

im just so sorry

Andthereyougo · 16/10/2023 17:33

Did he really get other ( younger) men to address him as Father? If that’s true I did wonder if he was abused as a child by a priest? ( not in any way an excuse for his disgusting behaviour)
He definitely seems to have had inferiority/ superiority problems —- wearing a white coat in hospitals, insisting on being addressed as doctor ( assume some Uni gave him an honorary doctorate)
The women and man who came forward and were in the dramatisation were so brave.
Hope Savile is burning in hell.

dick27 · 16/10/2023 17:46

Is it a uniquely British thing to confuse eccentricity with off the scale utterly depraved? I was left feeling the victims voices should have been louder, and longer

beguilingeyes · 16/10/2023 17:47

Arniesleftleg · 16/10/2023 15:46

He was the 7th child, born late to his parents and was not planned and was possibly unloved. When he was 6 months old he fell out of the pushchair and suffered an injury to his neck which affected nerves in his eyes meaning he slept with his eyes open for 18 months, this may have accounted for his ugly bug eyed look. He was not expected to live but pulled through. After this he couldn't do anything wrong as was looked on by his very religious mother as a gift from god. She did everything for him after the accident.

I've listened to countless podcasts about him to try and understand how and why he did what he did and am utterly horrified at what he was allowed to get away with, because people did know but chose not to act on the information. Sir Kier Starmer knew what he was up to but decided not to act on the information fearing that if he got it wrong that he wouldn't receive his knighthood, he could have stopped this in his track like many other celebrities at the time.
Esther Rantzen knew what he was up to and her husband was a Head at the BBC at the time JS was probably most prolific. Remember ER set up Childline to protect vulnerable children, this could mean she knew something but chose not to speak up for fear of reproach.

JS was called upon to act as a mediator in the marriage of Prince Charles and Princess Di when they were having marital difficulties. I mean, WTF. Diana spoke about him being 'creepy'.

Savile was given keys to Broadmoor but would never surrender the keys at lock up, instead he chose to hold onto them to access all areas and would often watch vulnerable young women bath. Who would have believed an inmate at Broadmoor over a high profile megalomaniac?

There is so much more to his story than the programme touched on. There were over 500 cases of sexual misconduct, rape, buggery and child abuse, as well as the things he did to corpses, although dead bodies can't talk. How many more cases are there of people that still fear coming forward and those that couldn't live with what he did to them and died by suicide?

Is that you Boris? Keir Starmer did nothing of the sort

BBC News - No evidence for Boris Johnson's claim about Keir Starmer and Jimmy Savile
www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213975

groohad · 16/10/2023 18:17

My friends and I nearly wrote in to Jim'll Fix It, but we couldn't agree on a theme that hadn't been done before. I felt guiltily relieved, watching this, that we hadn't.

Arniesleftleg · 16/10/2023 18:22

@beguilingeyes oh look, a post by the BBC. The very same BBC that covered up the Jimmy Savile events! Who'd have thought?

Luddite26 · 16/10/2023 18:26

As somebody has already said I agree Rolf Harris used to give me the creeps doing his painting murals and making weird noises. I couldn't watch animal hospital because he creeped me out so much. The BBC really have a lot to answer for. Could never stand Gary Glitter either. He was so yuk.

I was watching a bit of BBC breakfast yesterday morning and the creepy guy who was presenting was giggling like a 13 year old schoolboy when they showed a clip of Madonna's new tour. Somebody decided they would show Madonna gyrating her crotch at the camera while the woman said Madonna had made it a family event.
They really didn't need to show that particular excerpt at 8.18am they chose to and the three people on screen including the weatherman sniggered.
They haven't learned anything from Savile et al.

Sloth66 · 16/10/2023 18:51

In a 1978 interview, John Lydon ( Johnny Rotten) talked about the rumours and seediness connected with Saville, saying he didn’t think the interview would be aired. People knew.
Saville had the police in his pocket and deployed expensive lawyers if anyone dared complain. He was utterly powerful and he operated in an era when women were not listened to and regarded as jokes- look at the comedy of the time- Benny hill chasing women was thought funny

Pertangyangkipperbang · 16/10/2023 19:03

IHaveAskedYouThriceNow ·
He was very popular in Scarborough. My friends parents had tye luxury apartment right next to his..
In 1987 l went to stay with my friend there ( they owned a very successful buisness in Leeds and Scarborough) my daughter was two years old.. one day we were sat on the balcony and out comes JS on his balcony with an ice lolly for my daughter.. he then knotted an hanky and put it on her head for a sun hat. ( makes me creeped out now).. he came across as very friendly and chatty... he always had loads of visitors there especially his Mum and siblings.. but he also had his " minder" with him. This was a huge man.. a person of colour.
My friends parents often had afternoon tea with him.
Of course no one knew that of his real nasty psychopathic traits.
He always told us when he died he wanted to be buried in Scarborough with his coffin upright ,so he could " look" out to sea.. and this is what he got.
I only wish he had been alive to face up to his actions.. the way like Garry Glitter and Rolf Harris etc..
Vile disgusting man.

birchtree23 · 16/10/2023 19:24

Dread to think what he did with his mums dead body if he was allegedly a necrophilliac.

Dispairrepair · 16/10/2023 19:42

@MotherEarthisaTerf.. Rotherham had impact. This was nothing compared to Rotherham and I'd even say it was tame.

GrandTheftWalrus · 16/10/2023 19:51

birchtree23 · 16/10/2023 19:24

Dread to think what he did with his mums dead body if he was allegedly a necrophilliac.

In the show he said it was the happiest time of his life. I feel sick thinking what he could mean.

YourWinter · 16/10/2023 20:01

http://nyenquirer.uk/the-jaconelli-ring-and-rampton/

The newspaper article doesn’t leave much to the imagination. I think JS genuinely believed the joy he was bringing to vulnerable people justified abusing them in the most vile manner.

North Yorks Enquirer | The Jaconelli Ring and Rampton

http://nyenquirer.uk/the-jaconelli-ring-and-rampton/

TheShellBeach · 16/10/2023 20:04

birchtree23 · 16/10/2023 19:24

Dread to think what he did with his mums dead body if he was allegedly a necrophilliac.

I thought the same and was going to post about it, but I wondered about the propriety of mentioning such a thing.
But it definitely crossed my mind.
Grim.

RainbowZebraWarrior · 16/10/2023 20:12

TheShellBeach · 16/10/2023 20:04

I thought the same and was going to post about it, but I wondered about the propriety of mentioning such a thing.
But it definitely crossed my mind.
Grim.

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The programme definitely implied what we have all been thinking here in my opinion. I'd say that's why it was included.

Demonstrates the level of his depravity. Seems nothing was off limits for him.

I watched the episodes back to back. I think it showed that as time went on, he pushed and pushed for more extreme 'kicks'

FictionalCharacter · 17/10/2023 00:18

nettie434 · 16/10/2023 14:32

He was the youngest of the siblings so maybe some of them were grown up and had moved away when he was born.

Horrifyingly, one of the brothers was clearly very similar, but on a lesser scale (upsetting link):

https://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/11820009.jimmy-saviles-brother-sexually-abused-patients-at-springfield-hospital-in-tooting-report-finds/

I found this the other day when I was looking for some background to the programme. It looked to me as if he was sacked a long time before the inquiry which was not held until after Jimmy Savile died.

I think The Reckoning is good at showing how some people were concerned at the time but the prevailing culture and Savile's domineering character shut down investigations into his behaviour.

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His other brother Vince was a sex offender too. So that's 3 of them.

Distinguishedandmature · 17/10/2023 01:00

Surely he must've fathered children with all those girls he raped.

nosatellitesignal · 17/10/2023 07:24

Distinguishedandmature · 17/10/2023 01:00

Surely he must've fathered children with all those girls he raped.

i've no doubt he did. interestingly a couple of people who came forward querying if he was their father, the newspapers referred to their blonde hair but JS was not blonde, he dyed it until he went grey