Fire at Luton airport

[TeenagersAngst]

Is anyone due to travel from Luton in the next day or so? Just saw news of the fire which looks awful. Heard nothing yet from Ryanair but not sure how responsive they are in this sort of situation...

we fully intend on buying another vintage Jag when we return

Technically, there’s no such thing. </geek>

Christ, imagine the court case and liability on this one!

I was going to look on Flightradar for you and help you out to see where it might be diverted to but given you've been so fucking rude to everyone, including me, I won't bother.

Deserves no compassion. She actually blames her DH when he has done nothing wrong!

He made a poor decision for his family...they will all lose out financially and practically because of his choice, if he'd driven the likely mot failure they would be in a better position. They would get an insurance pay out for the loss of a vehicle (that they suspected they would be throwing away) and still have the use of the infamous 'Jag' a car they valued and that wasn't fit for the scrap heap...until now. Hindsight is a wonderful thing..and shit happens everyday. In the circumstances I can understand the ops frustration..but worse things happen to innocent people throughout the world. Mumsnet is full of angst about baby names, and the like, some would see that as totally selfish and indulgent but having a sounding board is part and parcel

cringe

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@LadyJaneEarlGreyTea - the reason (some) people are reacting to you wondering if the car which started the fire was a Tesla is that a very high proportion of the “reasons why EV’s are bad” information on the internet is either 1) out of date, so no longer applicable, or; 2) just plain wrong.

It was predictable that people would speculate or assume that the fire started in an EV - even though, statistically, that was highly unlikely.

I have seen posts on Twitter along the lines of an EV exploded in the car park while charging. Despite there being no chargers in that car park. One person wonders, another person posts “I’ve heard that…”, and the next thing you know, it is established fact.

Current information is that it was a diesel car - I can guarantee you no-one is going to say diesels should be banned. Whereas if it HAD been an EV, there would be calls for them to be banned.

I’ve now seen later reports (UNVERIFIED - don’t take this as gospel!) that the car was a diesel HYBRID. And hybrid cars are the MOST likely to catch fire. But I can also guarantee you that, if that does turn out to be correct, it will result in a call for EV’s to be banned - not hybrids.

Whose insurance pays out for damaged cars? The car owner’s own car insurance or the airport parking company’s insurance?

@PuzzledObserver

It was predictable that people would speculate or assume that the fire started in an EV - even though, statistically, that was highly unlikely.

For info there was almost a carbon copy of last nights fire at Stavanger airport about three years back. almost an exact clone,.right down to the same initial rumours that the fire started with an EV...

From the narrative of the report on that fire:

"Some of the first phone messages received reported that an electric vehicle was on fire, and the police informed the media correspondingly at an early stage during the incident . As a result of this electric vehicles were at the focus of media reports covering the incident, in particular during the first 24 hours."

For those interested, further analyis is on page 36, para 4.2 "The Role of Electric Vehicles in the Spread of the Fire":

https://risefr.com/media/publikasjoner/upload/2020/rise-report-2020-91-evaluation-of-fire-in-stavanger-airport-cark-park-7-january-2

@notimagain thank you, very interesting.

New things are scary. People are quick to attribute problems to the new thing. That’s doesn’t make it true.

That said - if batteries do catch fire, they can take a long time to extinguish. I don’t know enough about this subject, but I’m sure that, given the mag ilude of this event, there will be a thorough investigation.

Only if it can be shown that the reason it caught fire was down to negligence by the owner as the insured person.

petrol vs electric

Or the car manufacturer?

Isn't the problem though that EVs are harder to put out if they are on fire rather than actually catching fire.

Posting her conditions doesn't excuse the crappy way she spoke to people, repeatedly.
I hate when people do this to garner sympathy and to try and justify ahitty behaviour.

Isn't the problem though that EVs are harder to put out if they are on fire rather than actually catching fire.
That's what I understood too.

Although if you read the link that @notimagain posted to the report on the Swedish car park fire, you’ll see among its conclusions that the EV’s didn’t contribute to the spread and maintenance of the fire any more than any other type of cars.

They analysed some of the residual water after the fire was out and it did not contain the chemicals you would expect if the batteries had burned. So it seems that the EV batteries were not breached in that fire.

We’ll have to wait and see what they find about this one.

EV myth debunker here.
I think there's an element of truth in that. However, EVs are actually far LESS likely to catch fire than diesel cars so you could say that as the proportion of EVs grows, there is less likelihood of fires like this starting in the first place.

Additionally, a lot of vehicle manufacturers are now using LFP batteries rather than NMC, which are considerably safer, and much less likely to be a fire risk.

People should also be reminded that there are just under 10,000 ICE vehicle fires every year. Very few are ever mentioned in the media. The anti-EV brigade pounce on any suspicion that an electric vehicle has been involved in a fire.

The car involved in the Luton Airport incident was a diesel Range Rover Sport - a straight diesel, not a Hybrid.

https://news.sky.com/story/luton-airport-car-park-fire-due-to-vehicle-fault-as-man-arrested-12990789

A man has been arrested although the article stresses it was an accidental fire.

There was a similar incident in Liverpool in 2018 but I can't find how the insurance claim was settled ie whether the insurer of the faulty car had to foot the bill

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-42554597.amp

Seems a bit odd. So a fire started accidentally but then after the fire started someone did some criminal damanage?