Anyone else see that huge changes are happening right now and we’re still sleep walking?

[RudsyFarmer]

its Interesting to me that life is just carrying on while there are huge, seismic shifts occurring globally that will impact us. It’s like the start of the pandemic actually. When I read the paper and Covid had been found in China and I thought, ah China, that’s along way away and within a couple of weeks we were at the beginning of lockdowns and my joke about hoarding pasta became a reality.

We’re about to have a heatwave in October. We now have wildfires as standard in Europe every summer and mass migration of people from continents that are starting to become inhabitable are overrunning areas of Italy and Greece. More and more people will start moving away from devastated land in search of more temperate weather, food, housing and employment.

This isn’t something that will be happening in a decade. It’s happening right now. The places that used to grow our food are going to start conserving the food for their own people. I want to feel positive but I can’t see how times are going to get better from here. I read the news and it feels really, really fucking bleak.

I had some Jehovah's Witnesses at the door yesterday. They were actually very nice, and we had a philosophical discussion about God and the end of the world. I am a humanist so they didn't get very far with me. But the point of my ramble is that humans haven't been around for very long, and when something happens that wipes us out, we will still be a blip in the history of the world, so don't worry about it, and just get in and live your best life.

Not clear if you mean “many pacific atolls will be below sea level” - in which case, yep I’m sure that’s correct. Many current UK beaches may well have eroded and be further up the shore than they are currently too. No argument with any of that.

But what you appear to be saying when you announce dramatically that “there will be no beaches in 2100” is “there will not be any of the geographical features that consists of a sand or shingle zone between land and sea, anywhere on the earth, in 80 years”, and that is clearly nonsense.

But it’s not true, it’s a ludicrous conspiracy theory.

It’s not enough for individual countries to tackle aspects of climate change. Without a global policy that everyone adheres to how much do you, honestly, believe will have a significant impact to change the course we’re on?

Agreed, I actually enjoy turnips very much and am going to grow some

But we do have a global policy. And yes, if every country makes changes then of course we’ll make a difference.

30% of all emissions come from countries that each produce around 1% each. This idea that unless China changes then we may as well not bother makes no sense.

So I just took my own advice from a previous post of mine on this thread, and read a bit about supervolcanoes, a topic I have no prior knowledge about.

Found this interesting article about NASA's (so far theoretical) plans to lower the risk of a Yellowstone supervolcanic eruption while creating a new source of energy: https://interestingengineering.com/science/nasa-has-a-346-billion-plan-to-cool-yellowstone-and-harvest-it-for-energy

So, having done a bit of reading on the subject I am somewhat reassured that a) while supervolcanoes are a major natural threat to life on Earth, they are unlikely to erupt in our lifetimes and b) scientists are working to see if they can turn that threat into something beneficial for the planet.

The plan could cost £2.85 billion. Sounds like a lot but that's roughly 6% of the cost of HS2. So far better value imo.

So the logic circles back again to why bother trying. If you think all the UK's efforts are futile and countries can never work together then let's throw in the towel, have a big piss up in the park and lie on the ground and wait for the super volcanoes / global warming / lack of food to kill us.

See how daft that sounds? There's no winning with negative people. What's the point of this thread in the first place? It's just one big circular argument.

It's quite entertaining though, I'll give it that. Even if there are a couple of obvious bridge dwellers walking among us. 🤐😉

We can all stop driving/flying, eating out of season food, generally consuming so much, but ultimately the only thing that will save or even improve the natural world is a massive reduction in the human population…and eventually Mother Nature will do it for us!

Spat my tea out😂😂😂

As soon as I hear sleep, sheep or sleepwalker, I just think nutter 😀

RedToothBrush · Today 10:16

Wait until people realise that it's been observed that volcanoes erupting is season related and it's been noted that this is to do with ocean temperatures.

Oh you mean you didn't hear about the earthquake in Naples this week and the warnings about the supervolcano Naples sits on.

Or the lack of major volcano eruption planning internationally.

Yes - and don't let's think about the super-volcano under Yellowstone in the US. If that goes up it will take most of the American continent with it, along with other implications for the rest of the planet (think dinosaur meteorite extinction-type issues).

I just don't let myself think about this any more! Happy to worry about the COL and the extra weight I've recently gained.

Plus, Krakatoa is overdue for a blow-up. Even 'ordinary' volcanic eruptions have serious climatic affects over huge areas.

You say daft, I say realistic 🤷‍♀️

We're not sleepwalking into it. The vast majority know what's happening and what's coming. The politicians, however, don't give a shit and would rather put their own interests first, which usually means putting money into people's pockets. There's no credible green party so people don't bother voting for them. The prime minister recently got a new swimming pool so he really doesn't give a shit.

We are already on course for that. Fertility rates are way below replacement rates in almost every country so there is a population collapse coming.

I mean this stuff is looked in to. When is it due to erupt?

The United States Geological Survey (USGS) report that Yellowstone is behaving as it has done for the past 140 years. 'Odds are very high that Yellowstone will be eruption-free for the coming centuries,' the USGS said.6 Jul 2023

He explains that the Yellowstone volcano will not erupt anytime soon, noting that there must be enough eruptible magma beneath the surface and enough pressure to cause the magma to ascend, neither of which currently exists.

😂

Bingo.

I'm not sure, it's something that's really being considered in climate models ATM because it's effectively 'off radar' in terms of linkage.

But if sea temperature affects more than we anticipate, then it's highly possible we could have that type of 'black swan' event which we aren't currently anticipating.

The chances of a volcanic eruption of a significant level to cause major issues happening in the next century are 1 in 6.

https://www.zmescience.com/science/geology/weve-got-a-1-in-6-chance-of-a-mega-volcano-erupting-this-century-shouldnt-we-get-prepared/

That's not the really Big one (like Yellowstone). That's smaller than that.

The last really problematic eruption was 1815. (Read up on it here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer )

Even that would have major implications. Ones that we COULD (should) have a contingency plan for and that stuff like food storage are relevant to.

Aside from that, the volcano Naples sits on going boom in any capacity has pretty bit implications. Naples has a population of 3 million people.

Banksy may have to be revealed in a court case.

All of the other shit going on in the world I can deal with but that has floored me and I hope it’s not true.

And there we have it, once you get these people to actually come out instead of hinting at their beliefs it’s always crazy.

Vulcanism is not a function of sea temlerature.

Don't worry about that, Boris is working hard to fix it.

Many of us aren't sleepwalking into it, we just don't know what to do. I don't think there's anyway back now. The r/collapse subreddit is a good but depressing read.

@fearfuloffluff your post at 10:53 is one of the most sensible things I've read on here

I'm with you on this

It is a worry. I think on an individual level, I can only do what I can do for the environment ie lessen/stop my air travel, recycle etc. If that even makes much of a difference, I don't know. Other than that, I'm not going to worry about what is going to happen as it's going to happen, regardless of if I worry or not.