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Anyone else see that huge changes are happening right now and we’re still sleep walking?

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RudsyFarmer · 04/10/2023 10:10

its Interesting to me that life is just carrying on while there are huge, seismic shifts occurring globally that will impact us. It’s like the start of the pandemic actually. When I read the paper and Covid had been found in China and I thought, ah China, that’s along way away and within a couple of weeks we were at the beginning of lockdowns and my joke about hoarding pasta became a reality.

We’re about to have a heatwave in October. We now have wildfires as standard in Europe every summer and mass migration of people from continents that are starting to become inhabitable are overrunning areas of Italy and Greece. More and more people will start moving away from devastated land in search of more temperate weather, food, housing and employment.

This isn’t something that will be happening in a decade. It’s happening right now. The places that used to grow our food are going to start conserving the food for their own people. I want to feel positive but I can’t see how times are going to get better from here. I read the news and it feels really, really fucking bleak.

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InterFactual · 04/10/2023 11:42

I find the hyperbole in this thread very amusing. Well done to the calm voices who are being rational.

JaneJeffer · 04/10/2023 11:48

Just think of all the catastrophes our ancestors have lived through and yet here we all are.

HongKongGarden · 04/10/2023 11:49

InterFactual · 04/10/2023 11:42

I find the hyperbole in this thread very amusing. Well done to the calm voices who are being rational.

I’m genuinely confused by the posters implying that there’s something being kept secret about volcanoes.

IveHadItUpToHere · 04/10/2023 11:52

Must admit I did not see OP's opener leading to: 'keep the Tories in power because we're all going to die anyway' Grin
No thanks. Changing government might not affect climate change in any noticeable way but it might lead to joined-up thinking for lowering carbon emissions; it might lead to better healthcare; it might slowly start to reverse the fact that we're the country with the greatest wealth disparity in Europe; it might lead to slightly more support for vulnerable people from those in care, to DCs in poverty.
It's an odd kind of conspiracy theorising - that says 'I care so much about the planet!' but 'those poor people over there can suck up a corrupt government because nothing changes' Hmm

jolaylasofia · 04/10/2023 11:56

StowOnTheWold · 04/10/2023 10:20

The world is a very rough sphere and gravity connects all of us. Until everybody with power and influence realises that we will keep sleep walking.

what would you like those in power to do about super volcanoes and earthquakes?

InterFactual · 04/10/2023 12:00

HongKongGarden · 04/10/2023 11:49

I’m genuinely confused by the posters implying that there’s something being kept secret about volcanoes.

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It's probably something to do with lizard people and the earth being flat. They can't let us in on the secret because then they wouldn't have any 'ignorant sheeple' left to rage against and that's their favourite hobby.

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2023 12:00

How big are emergency stockpiles of food for starters.

What's our rationing plan?

Begsthequestion · 04/10/2023 12:01

HongKongGarden · 04/10/2023 11:35

Nothing is “happening” with supervolcanoes, and they aren’t a difficult topic.

Are you trying to imply that there’s something going on with them?

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I'm not implying anything. My posts should be taken at face value.

jolaylasofia · 04/10/2023 12:02

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2023 12:00

How big are emergency stockpiles of food for starters.

What's our rationing plan?

won't need one we will all be extinct

TheLeadbetterLife · 04/10/2023 12:02

Begsthequestion · 04/10/2023 11:33

Read about it. Get informed. Don't turn away from difficult topics, investigate then. Look at credible sources and try to understand what is happening.

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Why? There's sod all we can do about super volcanoes.

Redlarge · 04/10/2023 12:04

natura · 04/10/2023 10:24

😂

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They dont know much about much else so I wouldnt be so certain that they do.

thenightsky · 04/10/2023 12:07

DysonSpheres · 04/10/2023 11:06

I thought a lot of the wild fires were found to be the result of arsonists. Selective reporting conveniently didn't highlight that until interest in the fires died down.

I find the reporting on so called extreme weather events to be inflammatory, anxiety provoking and irresponsible. I can remember a summer in maybe 2007 or 2012, (or it might even have been 2009 I forget which) in which we were described as having an 'Indian summer' it was hot right through to the end of October with major London parks like Greenwich being described as 'dust bowls'

Yet now the reporting is 'THIS IS PROOF OF A CATASTROPHE, hottest September etc. Well from memory I can recall quite a few hot Augusts and hot Septembers. Admittedly last summer with the extreme temperatures was nasty, but my mother was pregnant with my brother in the 1976 heat wave and tells me how awful it was.

We need responsible balanced reporting that includes a wider breadth of scientific analysis. We're really missing this. I frankly think it's not just reporting on climate issues, it is politics as well as other areas. There is almost total homogeneity of thought and that concerns me greatly as it starts to affect our personal liberties. Due to this really important things that will impact us are also overlooked.

Good post DysonSpheres

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 04/10/2023 12:08

Brianisanaughtyboy · 04/10/2023 11:09

The trouble with the idea that most of us are 'sleepwalking' is the idea that if you could get the reality over to everyone and 'wake them up' that suddenly the problems would be solved. The true reality is much more difficult to handle that most people have at least a basic understanding of the issues but need to ignore them, as solving one problem affects another area of life we'd rather not have affected, and each of us have our own areas we'd want to protect so getting to an agreement would be extremely difficult.

Eg, (very simplified) do you tackle climate change when it means you have to cut back on resources, say your 4 person family has to live in a 2 bed flat? Or that there won't be enough resources to give anyone chemotherapy ever again? Or you won't be allowed to have children (or your children won't) to manage resources?

As a global society we've reached the point where to protect our life in the future we'd have to drastically cut our standard of life now and very few people would welcome that. 'Fiddling while Rome burns' might not be the most sensible idea but it's the easiest to stomach.

A pp said this was a brilliant post and I second that.

As for another pp’s question about preparation for super-volcanoes erupting, I would suggest that if many billions of tons of boiling magma and sulphurous gases are spewed into the atmosphere and circulate the earth, you close your windows and turn your heating off.

HongKongGarden · 04/10/2023 12:10

IveHadItUpToHere · 04/10/2023 11:52

Must admit I did not see OP's opener leading to: 'keep the Tories in power because we're all going to die anyway' Grin
No thanks. Changing government might not affect climate change in any noticeable way but it might lead to joined-up thinking for lowering carbon emissions; it might lead to better healthcare; it might slowly start to reverse the fact that we're the country with the greatest wealth disparity in Europe; it might lead to slightly more support for vulnerable people from those in care, to DCs in poverty.
It's an odd kind of conspiracy theorising - that says 'I care so much about the planet!' but 'those poor people over there can suck up a corrupt government because nothing changes' Hmm

The U.K. is not even close to having the greatest wealth disparity in Europe. Wealth GINI in the U.K. is around 0.71. In Sweden it’s 0.88, Cyprus is 0.79, Germany 0.79, Switzerland 0.77, Norway 0.79, Czech Republic 0.78, Netherlands 0.75, Finland 0.74…

As for carbon emissions, we’re obviously helped by our high starting point, but it’s still impressive to be leading the way on reductions relative to our peers.

If you’ve any interest in educating yourself rather than just posting lies then this link shows you how we rank on emissions relative to other European nations.

https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/blog/2019/10/greenhouse-gas-emissions-by-country#map

GHG Emissions by EU Country [Interactive Map] | GreenMatch

GreenMatch has analysed the best and worst-performing EU countries in relation to the 2020 targets to reduce GHG emissions. Read the study here.

https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/blog/2019/10/greenhouse-gas-emissions-by-country#map

Begsthequestion · 04/10/2023 12:13

TheLeadbetterLife · 04/10/2023 12:02

Why? There's sod all we can do about super volcanoes.

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Sounds like you've already read up on it then. Well done you?

HongKongGarden · 04/10/2023 12:13

Begsthequestion · 04/10/2023 12:01

I'm not implying anything. My posts should be taken at face value.

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You said people should learn about what’s happening with supervolcanoes. Nothing is happening with them.

User767463 · 04/10/2023 12:14

I read the news and it feels really, really fucking bleak.

Well I read the news too and I don't feel life is bleak at all. Amazing advancements in medicine and technology. Lots of new industries providing lots of potential new jobs. Business/work is going great so we can afford amazing experiences that are a wonderful welcome break to the monotony of covid years. Kids are healthy, off to a great start at school.

So yeah, it really depends which perspective you take. We do what we can to minimise environmental damage but don't sit around moaning about how the entire world is going to shit. We're considering getting a Tesla X because it looks fantastic as well.

MrsSkylerWhite · 04/10/2023 12:14

Begsthequestion · Today 11:33

HongKongGarden · Today 11:26

What’s your advice then for people worrying about supervolcanoes?
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Read about it. Get informed. Don't turn away from difficult topics, investigate then. Look at credible sources and try to understand what is happening”

I used to feel that way. Iv’e hopefully got 20 years (or a bit more 🤞) left. I’m not going to spend them wringing my hands over things that I can do bugger all about. So, I’ll live as sustainably as I can, I always have, encourage the family to do the same but otherwise not look at super volcanoes et al
because I’d like to enjoy the time I have left with my loved ones, not spend it in a state of panic.

Begsthequestion · 04/10/2023 12:14

HongKongGarden · 04/10/2023 12:13

You said people should learn about what’s happening with supervolcanoes. Nothing is happening with them.

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My advice was to one poster who was advising everyone to stop watching the news.

enchantedsquirrelwood · 04/10/2023 12:15

I read RTB's post about volcanoes as implying that climate change will also affect seismic activity due to the oceans warming. If true, that is somewhat worrying, but maybe not of direct concern to the UK - unless it were a super volcano - but I think that is outside our control, climate change or not.

Begsthequestion · 04/10/2023 12:15

MrsSkylerWhite · 04/10/2023 12:14

Begsthequestion · Today 11:33

HongKongGarden · Today 11:26

What’s your advice then for people worrying about supervolcanoes?
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Read about it. Get informed. Don't turn away from difficult topics, investigate then. Look at credible sources and try to understand what is happening”

I used to feel that way. Iv’e hopefully got 20 years (or a bit more 🤞) left. I’m not going to spend them wringing my hands over things that I can do bugger all about. So, I’ll live as sustainably as I can, I always have, encourage the family to do the same but otherwise not look at super volcanoes et al
because I’d like to enjoy the time I have left with my loved ones, not spend it in a state of panic.

You've skipped the post I was replying to.

The poster said "don't watch the news".

TheYearOfSmallThings · 04/10/2023 12:15

its Interesting to me that life is just carrying on while there are huge, seismic shifts occurring globally that will impact us.

Since the dawn of time life has just carried on while huge, seismic shifts occurred globally. Literally, there has never been a time this wasn't the case. But none of that was important of course. This is much, much more important and significant, because some of it might tangentially affect us, in our lifetime, probably to a very limited degree. OH HOW CAN I GET OUT OF BED IN THE MORNING 😱😱😱.

icallitasplodge · 04/10/2023 12:15

I’m going to sound bleak myself but I’d rather it’s the volcanoes that get us. To go in seconds like in Pompeii would be better than a slow end.

porridgecake · 04/10/2023 12:17

We grow lots of food here and could grow a lot more. Unfortunately there is nobody to harvest it so it rots in the fields. We could give some thought to solving that particular issue.
There are lots more things we could do but while we have very greedy rich people running things in favour of themselves and their pals, it is difficult.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 04/10/2023 12:18

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for killer bees, personally 🐝

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