Will we look back on programmes like Naked Attraction and Love Island and think wtf?

[VeloVixen]

at the risk of sounding like Mary Whitehouse I think that now to be honest.

in the Russell Brand fall out I saw a clip yesterday of him and Alan Carr getting the female, single audience members of Alan Carr’s show to stand up while Russell walked round deciding which ones were “nice”. The theme been that Russell was picking who he was going to take back and shag after the show. That went out on channel 4 with everyone laughing and thinking it was ok.

Will we look back at current shows which objectify women and men, judge them on their looks, their penis size, their pubic hair, whether they are in a couple or not and think what the hell were we doing letting stuff like that be broadcast? Remember stuff like Kanga on Big Brother masturbating while drunk with a beer bottle in the garden. What on earth were the tv executives doing letting stuff like that happen to drunk, vulnerable youngsters? We had Jeremy Kyle exploiting vulnerable people and look what happened. But it continues to some extent.

Look back?

I already think WTF about those shows. 🤷‍♀️

Same.

I currently think WTF. Don't get me started on Jennifer Lawrence's current film because I just don't get how it's being made- I assumed for the longest time it was satire. Reality shows in general are mad, but watching young peoples lives implode on screen with copious amounts of alcohol and bad choices is heart breaking. All with the hope that your choices will be bad enough to remain popular and drive ratings but not so bad that you are cancelled and lose the make up and fast fashion contracts.

Like I said so do I.

but society as a whole doesn’t, the tv channels, production companies don’t!

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I'm another who doesn't need to look back.

Yup, I’m already in the wtf brigade. Would add songs about violence to terfs, men being better women than actual women, and unannounced penis piano playing to the in plan sight misogyny and boundary dismantling.

Me too.

Everyone seems to be missing the OP's point. Is the direction we are heading in as a society that these programmes will become unacceptable for broadcast?

Society keeps changing.
It's entirely predictable that trends will move and this kind of exploitative shocking TV will be replaced by another novel idea that is just as exploitative/shocking... people don't really change that much.

What is Jennifer Lawrence's latest film? I can't find anything about it on Google.

And yes - I hope we do look back and think these shows are unacceptable. I do already and I'm not a prude either

Yes I think we will( but like you I already think wtf). There is a channel 4 show where couples go into a house and have group sex/threesomes, it’s called the sexperinrnt I think. I saw a couple of episodes and it made me so uncomfortable, the ones I saw it was clearly one partner who was more into the idea and the other person kind of went along with it.

Yeah I think What The Fuck about it all already, too.

Hope so.

The direction we’re currently headed is that things will get far worse for women before a tipping point which sees more women seeing the light (or the misogyny) and starting the inevitable slog of fighting for women’s rights. Again.

Current mainstream feminism teaches that this is all acceptable. I’m in no way excusing shitty male behaviour (thinking about RB and others), but it’s easy to see why it’s so common, because they’re held to such low standards, and we’re encouraged to see it all as hilarious banter, and we should be cool with it.

I am appalled by those shows already and even more shocked by the fact that young women are going along with it all. It is so self destructive and they can't seem to see it.

Me too. They're fucking horrible.

None of those single female audience members HAD to stand up. If I was there I would have stayed stuck to my seat.

Russell Brand; “that’s how things were in the noughties”. Jimmy Savile; “that how things were in the 70s/80s.

Plus ça change…

No, nobody had to stand up. But the general culture and vibe of these shows at the time, was that it was acceptable. If you didn't take part, you were seen as priggish.

There's an Ali G clip doing the rounds currently - he's 'interviewing' Posh & Becks. He tells David how impressed he his that he's bagged a spice girl, that she's well fit in the video of her in a catsuit with boobs looking amazing. He asks if David fancied her straight away - an innocent question - followed up with, 'did you knock one out to posters of her like the rest of us did'.
Posh & Becks, and the entire audience are in fits of laughter, it's an entirely acceptable conversation to have. Of course we look back now and think WTF, but at the time it was seen as so fucking normal.

Haven’t watched it but I think the premise is the parents pay a 30 something year old woman to take their 19 year old son’s virginity.

And to be clear - I'm not saying that therefore it's ok, just because it was the norm does not make it ok. But I'm trying to put across (badly), that's why the girls in the Allan Carr audience stood up; that's why Posh laughed when an interviewer told her fiancé that everyone had a wank in her honour.

No they didn’t, you’re right, but women are conditioned from an early age to accept this behaviour as normal, and if you don’t you’re apparently frigid.

I’m old enough to remember Mary Whitehouse being bandied around as an insult. I’m also now old enough to not give a shit if some sad fucker thinks I’m frigid for having boundaries, but I’ve had to live years to get to this point.

Young women very often have blurred boundaries and a certain lack of autonomy due to years of conditioning.

Can I add Keith Lemon's Bo Selecta to that list. Nasty little shit

I think a ton of programmes always looked pretty bad and some we are just about tolerating now are going to feel very wrong very soon.

Even the good natured face of dubious dating shows of the recent past - Take Me Out - received quite a bit of criticism during early days of its broadcasting.

In a slightly different area, I personally find Scandi style crime dramas to be quite misogynist. The Brannagh rebrand of a famous Scandi one (I don’t mean Poirot, I think the detective name begins with W) is very ick on BBC all sorts of levels. The famous re write of Le Carre with Elizabeth Debecki was also something I feel we will look back on and not like at all. Exploitative true crime series - recently we have had loads popping up on our screens covering very recent stuff - are also iffy.