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GonnaGetGoingReturns · 2023-09-16T06:33:17+00:00

Sorry if not allowed to discuss here but just seem that this vile creature plans to appeal against her original sentence as per yesterday’s news. Her defence team is leading this potential appeal. WTAF?! They haven’t reached a verdict on is it 6 or 7 poor other little babies who died and she’s suspected, I thought? So sad for the poor parents and babies still.

continentallentil · 16/09/2023 09:33

itsgettingweird · 16/09/2023 09:30

I don't agree her behaviour doesn't fit a typical pattern of people who commit crime.

Her whole behaviour phenotype isn't typical.

She just isn't diagnosed and it's not a defence.

What has this got to do with anything? The grounds for her appeal have nothing to do with this.

AprQ · 16/09/2023 09:33

thedancingbear · 16/09/2023 09:30

Nor do I. Unbelievable isn't it?

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No, your post is ridiculous!

Everyone has the right to appeal. It doesn’t mean that the sentence will 100% change but you can’t deny someone that right because you believe that they’re guilty.

Everyone also has a right to a fair trial.

Why should the lawyers be struck off? Everyone is allowed a defence!

FloydPepper · 16/09/2023 09:34

thedancingbear · 16/09/2023 09:26

As there are some serious posters, I'm going to attempt a serious point: if there was ever a case that merited all the available appeals, it's Letby's.

It's not that I think she's innocent; I think she probably did it. But the case was built on (supposed) statistical overwhelming likelihood, plus bits of circumstantial evidence. There was certainly no 'smoking gun', nor was there a clear motive (her behaviour doesn't fit any known psychological condition with any specificity: I've seen Munchhausen's by Proxy mentioned, but it's nothing like that).

Anyone with a background in statistics (and I'm sort of marginal in this respect) knows that the average joe or jane is shockingly bad in their understanding of how chance and probability works. The trial substantially comprised (highly intelligent) non-specialists trying to persuade 12 randoms plucked off the street of a particular mathematical analysis of this or that complicated matrix of events. And someone's life literally turns on the outcome. This is something I find alarming.

So, yes, I think an appeal is appropriate, as I think this is an unusual case where the facts and their implications are tested to the nth degree. In a way, I hope she did it: nothing will bring the babies back, and if she's been convicted unfairly, that will be just another wasted life.

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Good point, and raises the tangent on whether 12 random era are sufficiently able to fully understand complex cases. I’m a big supporter of trial by jury, but have to admit it has weaknesses

i want letby to fully explore every available avenue in law and for the conviction to pass the highest standards.

StBrides · 16/09/2023 09:34

It is absolutely correct that she - and others like her - have the right of appeal. That is what justice is.

If we don't apply fair and equal justice to the worst of us, then it counts for nothing for the innocent.

Itslosenotloose · 16/09/2023 09:34

Yep I’m against the justice system 🙌 absolute load of fucking shit. A complete shambles.

xsquared · 16/09/2023 09:35

AprQ · 16/09/2023 09:33

No, your post is ridiculous!

Everyone has the right to appeal. It doesn’t mean that the sentence will 100% change but you can’t deny someone that right because you believe that they’re guilty.

Everyone also has a right to a fair trial.

Why should the lawyers be struck off? Everyone is allowed a defence!

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Their post was meant to be ridiculous. Read further on...

hotpotlover · 16/09/2023 09:36

She has the right to appeal.

It won't go anywhere (I hope).

And then we can all forget about her.

Gilead · 16/09/2023 09:37

There are people who have been in prison for decades and have been found innocent. This is what the right to appeal is for and the reason we don’t have a death sentence. The justice system does fail people, both victims and criminals. We absolutely need a right of appeal.

MovieQueen12 · 16/09/2023 09:38

My mother thinks she's innocent. Yes, they walk among us.......

Sartre · 16/09/2023 09:39

She has every right to appeal and a justice system wouldn’t function without it but I do feel deeply sorry for the families.

itsgettingweird · 16/09/2023 09:39

What has this got to do with anything? The grounds for her appeal have nothing to do with this.

Continent I was just responding to a poster who commented about her guilt relating it to how she didn't have a typical behaviour pattern of a murderer.

Is that ok with you? You seem quite upset by me doing that.

Aposterhasnoname · 16/09/2023 09:39

thedancingbear · 16/09/2023 07:49

I agree. Monsters like Letby shouldn’t be allowed appeals.

I think they should’ve chucked away the key as soon as they found out she did it. This would have saved the cost of the first trial too.

the lawyers who defended her should be struck off. How could they?

I absolutely despair for this country I really do. Yesterday we had someone advocating for legally carrying knives and teaching people to kill with them, and today it’s denying people the basic human right of a fair trial. We’re genuinely fucked.

dimsumfatsum · 16/09/2023 09:39

She's appealing because she's a self-obsessed vulnerable narcissist. Also, because she knows she has a lot of sympathisers worldwide who are willing to fight her cause- online at least.

thedancingbear · 16/09/2023 09:41

MovieQueen12 · 16/09/2023 09:38

My mother thinks she's innocent. Yes, they walk among us.......

Based on what I've read, I'm not 100% convinced of her guilt. I think she probably did it. At first blush the probabilities look overwhelming, but when you pick at them, there are some quite untidy edges. There is huge complexity, and I don't think anyone can usefully say more without going through every bit of evidence, so I won't try.

WhiteFire · 16/09/2023 09:43

She's a bit damned if she does, damned if she doesn't here. Had she not asked for a possible appeal then people would be as quick to point out that she was therefore admitting her guilt.

Trying2bemum · 16/09/2023 09:44

Yes they really should!

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GonnaGetGoingReturns · 16/09/2023 09:45

dimsumfatsum · 16/09/2023 09:39

She's appealing because she's a self-obsessed vulnerable narcissist. Also, because she knows she has a lot of sympathisers worldwide who are willing to fight her cause- online at least.

Yep. This too.

As I stated earlier in this thread I was one of many who thought she was innocent for various reasons.

Yes there’ve been miscarriages of justice, yes she has the right to appeal her sentence.

But the last thread here after she was found guilty and subsequently sentenced most MNers then agreed that she was indeed guilty. So it seems like
an about turn on MN since then.

Anyway, I obviously take back my LL has no right to appeal stance. I’m just a bit staggered that she is appealing and her defence team are on board with this. Who knows, she’ll be out in a few years and “innocent”.

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Trying2bemum · 16/09/2023 09:45

Oh sorry I meant to say that in response to someone saying they should kids in school about the UK legal process

GP78 · 16/09/2023 09:47

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 16/09/2023 07:38

I’m not!

But surely the evidence against her is substantial and beyond all reasonable doubt?

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Well the appeal will decide that won't they. She's entitled to appeal, that's how the courts work, not sure what you're angry about 🤷‍♀️

thedancingbear · 16/09/2023 09:48

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 16/09/2023 09:45

Yep. This too.

As I stated earlier in this thread I was one of many who thought she was innocent for various reasons.

Yes there’ve been miscarriages of justice, yes she has the right to appeal her sentence.

But the last thread here after she was found guilty and subsequently sentenced most MNers then agreed that she was indeed guilty. So it seems like
an about turn on MN since then.

Anyway, I obviously take back my LL has no right to appeal stance. I’m just a bit staggered that she is appealing and her defence team are on board with this. Who knows, she’ll be out in a few years and “innocent”.

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So to summarise, you thought she was innocent, but now everyone in MN thinks she's guilty, you do too. You think she is entitled to an appeal but you are staggered that she is appealing. And you hope the appeal fails, even if she is innocent?

insideoutandupsidedown · 16/09/2023 09:48

Of all the topics I've read on here over the last 15 years, I have never been so shocked at some of the opinions held on the subject of justice.

And no. I'm not counting Dancing bears sarcasm almost certainly borne out of the frustration from reading some of the most ignorant posts I have ever read.

We have had posters who truly believe 'some crimes are so evil there shouldn't be any right of appeal. another who thinks that 'as she must be due an inheritance then she should fund her appeal through that - and stopped when the money runs out...

Is the education system in this country no so poor that people have no logical thought process or realise that what they are advocating is a justice system along the lines of Iran ? Really scary that there are people out there with these honestly held opinions.

Jumperhermit · 16/09/2023 09:50

PerfectMatch · 16/09/2023 08:21

OP, if the evidence against her is as clear as you seem to think, why did it take the jury 110 hours to reach a verdict?

But there were 22 charges. 5 hours per charge hardly means they were struggling to reach a verdict

thedancingbear · 16/09/2023 09:52

insideoutandupsidedown · 16/09/2023 09:48

Of all the topics I've read on here over the last 15 years, I have never been so shocked at some of the opinions held on the subject of justice.

And no. I'm not counting Dancing bears sarcasm almost certainly borne out of the frustration from reading some of the most ignorant posts I have ever read.

We have had posters who truly believe 'some crimes are so evil there shouldn't be any right of appeal. another who thinks that 'as she must be due an inheritance then she should fund her appeal through that - and stopped when the money runs out...

Is the education system in this country no so poor that people have no logical thought process or realise that what they are advocating is a justice system along the lines of Iran ? Really scary that there are people out there with these honestly held opinions.

Thank you for recognising my sarcasm, and also the fact that it is borne of head-banging frustration of the frothing mindless idiocy of far too many people.

AmandaHoldensLips · 16/09/2023 09:52

It should be on media blackout to avoid the inevitable grotesque re-hashing and distress it will cause to all those bereaved parents and families. Nobody wants to see her picture or relive the awfulness of her crimes.

Westfacing · 16/09/2023 09:53

the lawyers who defended her should be struck off. How could they?

Why should they be struck off?