Lucy Letby appeal

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Sorry if not allowed to discuss here but just seem that this vile creature plans to appeal against her original sentence as per yesterday’s news. Her defence team is leading this potential appeal.

WTAF?!

They haven’t reached a verdict on is it 6 or 7 poor other little babies who died and she’s suspected, I thought?

So sad for the poor parents and babies still.

I can't tell if this is serious. They shouldn't have bothered with the first trial?? Just lock people up for life without trial. That sounds like a good system where nothing at all could possibly ever go wrong.

Oh apologies @thedancingbear I've just seen your later comment. It's hard to on this thread!

She has no choice really....

If she's innocent she wants to clear her name.
If she's guilty she's facing her whole life behind bars so might as well try.
If she's a narcissist serial killer - she'll want to convince the world she's been wronged.

She has a whole life sentence - she might as well devote her existence to trying to reduce that - even if it's just to fill time.

DNA evidence is circumstantial evidence.

People seem to think circumstantial doesn’t meant strong evidence, that is not the case at all. Most cases are convicted on circumstantial evidence.

I agree. It is really troubling that your points even need making.

Exactly this. Given she has always insisted she is innocent an appeal was inevitable.

It seems to me that she can’t be anything other than guilty so I’m quite interested in what grounds she will
try to appeal. I know that there are ongoing investigations into deaths in other hospitals she worked it, so maybe she will end up being tried for more murders - can people with so many life sentences even be tried for more crimes?

MN is the only place I see Letby talked about. Anyone else?

People just don’t seem to be interested in the story, which is odd considering she has been found guilty of being the most prolific child murderer. Literally no one talks about it amongst family, friends, colleagues, acquaintances. And this is a chatty, debate-y bunch who usually can’t get enough of news/current affairs.

There’s something very strange going on. It’s like people don’t actually want to believe she has murdered several babies, despite the verdict, FFS.

Plenty of people "have been found to have done it" have actually been innocent or have been released as evidence proved shakey or reasonable doubt put forward. We can't just decide without due process.

Don't get me wrong. I think she's guilty as hell.

But without due process anyone of us could be locked up for life because someone has decided we are guilty without criminal justice system being involved.

Perhaps thought his is something where you have to attend sentencing becomes involved.

She avoided the verdicts after the first few guilty verdicts and her sentencing. It's EXTREMELY dodgy ground but maybe appeals should only be allowed if you bothered to attend your verdict and sentencing to appeal against it?

I think she did it BUT I think she should sack her defence team who did a truly terrible job first time round. They invited one witness to testify on the defences side and the basis for that chap being there was incredibly flimsy (he worked on the maintenance team for the hospital!)

This is such a widely shared misconception.

Defence can incite ANYONE who can give evidence to defend the client. ANYONE.

The question that should be asked is "why if you could invite anyone to discredit the prosecution did they only have a plumber/ Maintenon guy."

The answer is because all the other witnesses they invited to more trial interviews couldn't support their case.

It's not the defences fault she was guilty and had no defence!

Appeals can only happen in certain circumstances. To challenge a conviction or sentence because there is a legal avenue there do so.

Defence lawyers are not delusional or need to be stuck off. They are part of the justice system that helps prove a conviction is justified.

She is entitled to her rights same as you and I would be.
What sort of society would we be if we pick and choose who has rights to a fair trial??

I don’t think there is anything strange going on. She was convicted of absolutely sickening crimes, and beyond that, what is there to talk about? I imagine most people wouldn’t want to keep revisiting that.

Yeah apologies I missed it too.

And it's a thread I'm actually reading (I thought) properly

Jesus

you feel that the judicial system which affords everyone a defence, regardless of what they’ve done, shouldn’t apply to crimes you deem bad enough?

no need for a trial? No right for defence? No due process? Lawyers not required?

a bit speechless anyone could be this stupid to genuinely think that

She can ask for an appeal,anyone can,but not to say it will be allowed.As she refused to attend court for sentencing,I think she should be made to attend now and listen to the parents statements before any application is considered.If she refuses,no appeal even considered.

Yeah it's a conspiracy to get rid of all the defence lawyers and just have a phone in to convict people maybe Davina can host it?

"Do you think guilty press 1'
'Do you think innocent press 2'

What is there to say?

Agree when it comes to Letby herself – I think the background to it is very worthy of discussion, though, and it's really important that the systemic failures within the hospital don't turn into tomorrow's fish and chip paper too.

If you really believe this then you need to educate yourself on the fundamentals of access to justice in our country. Or are you seriously suggesting that only the wealthy should have access ???

@thedancingbear and apologies here too. Missed you were being sarcastic

it does say something that your post could be assumed to be serious. Some people genuinely think like that

There was 22 separate charges, so on average 5 hours per charge, that is not really that long.

Anyway had they taken 1 day you'd be frothing that it wasn't long enough.

Most people try to appeal their convictions, even Wayne Couzens did when the evidence was pretty clear cut. I don't think it's surprising at all that she wants to do this, it doesn't mean it'll be approved to progress to the next stage let alone get any further than that, but as is her right so be it.

A nurse murdering babies who were under her care is a huge and shocking news story. The fact no one talks about is absolutely strange, I’m sorry.

Also if you look at comments on newspaper articles, there’s so much nonsense about how “her friends are sticking by her” and how she was a “star student” and other irrelevant twaddle - she has been found guilty of child murder. The debate now should be how to does the NHS prevent this from happening again - I want to see more debate about the treatment of the consultants who raised concerns, for a start.

But the thing is - the evidence was all very circumstantial. I personally think she’s guilty, but there are people who are saying there’s a small seed of doubt that she’s guilty. I think an appeal might put that to bed.

Actually she’s not entitled to an appeal. She’s entitled to request one. The judicial system will look at the reasons stated for requesting an appeal and decide if it meets the threshold.

there’s a lot of people requesting appeals, most I believe are turned down. But yes, if there are valid reasons an appeal should be granted.

I doubt this will meet the threshold.

Oh absolutely yes, I do agree with you there. I may have misunderstood the post.