Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Lucy Letby looking to appeal her convictions

177 replies

Gymnopedie · 15/09/2023 23:45

How on earth does she think that's going to go?

Lucy Letby to appeal

(MSN link from the Telegraph)

I can't see what grounds she would have after a 10 month trial with all the evidence against her. And who would take her on as a client?

OP posts:
IrresponsiblyCertainAboutSexualDimorphism · 30/09/2023 07:41

lubylo · 30/09/2023 01:48

"We know C peptide isn’t influenced by exogenous insulin. We’ve been telling you that repeatedly. That’s how they knew it was exogenous without having to test"

I can't quite believe I read that, but I did, no more needs said.

What are you on about? High insulin plus low C-peptide = exogenous insulin. High insulin plus correspondingly high C-peptide = endogenous insulin.

If the babies had insulinomas (extraordinarily unlikely, it’s barely known below middle age) the hypoglycaemia would not have resolved spontaneously and instantaneously. If the babies had congenital hyperinsulinism (which can resolve spontaneously) it would still not have happened suddenly, like switching a tap on, and then off, within a short time.

Passepartoute · 30/09/2023 08:04

lubylo · 29/09/2023 21:55

You mentioned the appeal, it's in the title is about the lamest excuse I've heard.

The C-peptide reading of 169, bears no parentage to the reading of the very likely false 4657 uU/ml, with good reason. C-peptide is not influenced by exogenous insulin.

About covers it.

No, "You mentioned the appeal" is the lamest excuse ever.

As for the exogenous insulin issue, what @IrresponsiblyCertainAboutSexualDimorphism said is correct. You still haven't come up with any remotely credible alternative explanation for the high insulin/low C-peptide levels found.

bruffin · 30/09/2023 08:24

As i pointed out twice above. I am having a c peptide test to see if im producing insulin naturally. Its food provoked and i dont have to stop taking my novomix 30 insulin

itsgettingweird · 30/09/2023 09:36

I'm beginning think some posters are just bored and googling articles online. As they are now popping up on other threads where conspiracy theorists have fun posting articles and getting the same response!

bruffin · 30/09/2023 12:59

Reminds me of the antiMMR posters. Same old articles with no basis in truth recirculated as fact

bruffin · 01/10/2023 10:00

BIossomtoes · 29/09/2023 11:20

The risk is farmed out exactly the way a conventional insurance company does. I’m very surprised someone so knowledgeable doesn’t know that.

Its called Reinsurance. I worked in the Reinsurance industry for 10 years when i left school both for brokers and an underwriter. Its like a bookie offsetting bets.

BIossomtoes · 01/10/2023 10:15

bruffin · 01/10/2023 10:00

Its called Reinsurance. I worked in the Reinsurance industry for 10 years when i left school both for brokers and an underwriter. Its like a bookie offsetting bets.

Indeed. Thank you for the clarification.

bruffin · 01/10/2023 10:24

Meant to say
large companies/corporations do set up their own insurance companies to access the Reinsurance market.

theides · 01/10/2023 11:01

bruffin · 01/10/2023 10:24

Meant to say
large companies/corporations do set up their own insurance companies to access the Reinsurance market.

You appear to be mistaken.

The NHS itself ‘self-insures’ against claims for medical negligence: compensation claims are covered by the Clinical Negligence Scheme for Trusts (CNST), a centralised NHS insurance scheme underwritten by the taxpayer, which has great experience of handling claims in conjunction with the NHS Litigation Authority (NHSLA). It was envisaged that, in time, both Foundation Trusts and private providers undertaking NHS work would be required to arrange their own indemnity cover on the commercial insurance market, rather than sheltering under the CNST umbrella. However, for private hospitals which are already providing NHS care, getting cover from private insurance and indemnity schemes has so far proved a huge challenge.

bruffin · 01/10/2023 12:49

@theides I'm not mistaken on how Reinsurance works as i worked as a Reinsurance technical accounts processor for 11 years sharing out the premiums and claims with the reinsurers.
I maybe mistaken that the NHS uses that method. One aspect of reinsurance is large companies do set up insurance companies to buy reinsurance to cheapen the cost of insurance, whether the NHS do it or not i have no idea, but it is plausable.

theides · 01/10/2023 13:32

bruffin · 01/10/2023 12:49

@theides I'm not mistaken on how Reinsurance works as i worked as a Reinsurance technical accounts processor for 11 years sharing out the premiums and claims with the reinsurers.
I maybe mistaken that the NHS uses that method. One aspect of reinsurance is large companies do set up insurance companies to buy reinsurance to cheapen the cost of insurance, whether the NHS do it or not i have no idea, but it is plausable.

There isn't and never was any reinsurance involved with the NHS, the NHSLA used £2.7 billion of taxpayers money on litigation and claims in 2022.

bruffin · 01/10/2023 13:36

What does it matter how the NHS insures itself
@theides
It doesnt make a blind bit of difference to whether LL is guilty or not or whether she will be granted an appeal or not

BIossomtoes · 01/10/2023 13:39

bruffin · 01/10/2023 13:36

What does it matter how the NHS insures itself
@theides
It doesnt make a blind bit of difference to whether LL is guilty or not or whether she will be granted an appeal or not

Edited

It’s a red herring, designed to derail the thread.

bruffin · 01/10/2023 13:42

Totally agree

theides · 01/10/2023 13:54

bruffin · 01/10/2023 13:36

What does it matter how the NHS insures itself
@theides
It doesnt make a blind bit of difference to whether LL is guilty or not or whether she will be granted an appeal or not

Edited

It matters, because you and others quoted misinformation, as fact, like a lot of things here.

bruffin · 01/10/2023 13:57

I didnt quote misinformation. I was just explaining how Reinsurance works.
It is irrelevent to this case

theides · 01/10/2023 14:26

bruffin · 01/10/2023 13:57

I didnt quote misinformation. I was just explaining how Reinsurance works.
It is irrelevent to this case

Look you quoted erroneous information, don't beat yourself up over it.

bruffin · 01/10/2023 14:31

Im not fhe one creating an account or NC just to disrail a thread🤔

theides · 01/10/2023 15:57

bruffin · 01/10/2023 14:31

Im not fhe one creating an account or NC just to disrail a thread🤔

No you are the one posting false information.

CardamomGarden · 01/10/2023 18:47

theides · 01/10/2023 15:57

No you are the one posting false information.

Can you point out where the false information is?

theides · 01/10/2023 20:17

The NHS is insured by the taxpayer, there is no reinsurance or farming out, ok?

Lucy Letby looking to appeal her convictions
bruffin · 01/10/2023 20:47

Why is it relevant @theides ? This has nothing to do with LL or the appeal
I posted what reinsurance was i didnt say it was NHS does, but it is perfectly plausable the NHS would use such a method.
I just clarifying what a previous poster was explaining.
Why did you get so aggrieved you had to NC or create a new account just to stamp you little feet and tell everyone how wrong they were

theides · 01/10/2023 20:51

bruffin · 01/10/2023 20:47

Why is it relevant @theides ? This has nothing to do with LL or the appeal
I posted what reinsurance was i didnt say it was NHS does, but it is perfectly plausable the NHS would use such a method.
I just clarifying what a previous poster was explaining.
Why did you get so aggrieved you had to NC or create a new account just to stamp you little feet and tell everyone how wrong they were

It has everything to do with it, if she were to have her sentence quashed, the taxpayer will pay her compensation.

BIossomtoes · 01/10/2023 20:54

Which one? She got 14. There’s as much chance of 14 convictions being overturned as there is of me being immortal. We could easily have to pay for her to be banged up for 50 years, that’s not going to be cheap.